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Hawz November 19, 2013, 1:23 PM EST.
Wow Mike, low blow. Blame-shifting isn’t going to help the situation, and it isn’t mature. Come on, they want to know why. The least you could do is tell them.
GingerPaws November 19, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.
… i got nothing…
mikedawn November 19, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.
I guess the comments section is fixed now SORRY GUYS
thank you souppy for being the best souppy in the world
Taeshi November 19, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.
Timothyntc November 19, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.
Kaddie November 19, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
Huh, never thought I’d see the empty comment image. Still, it’s interesting how calm Mike took a punch to the face, though he’s doing now exactly what he did to Lucy in December: using something he knows Paulo both fears and regrets and rubbing it in so he can get Paulo to shut up.
Deiser November 19, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
you go Paulo. tell him like it is. he deserves a punch in the face
robyn November 19, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
Mike has a talent to make everybody feel miserable.
But everything would be easier, if their lives wouldn´t routate around boyfriends/girlfriends.
Ude November 19, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
I’m not an english native and I can’t understand what Mike tries to say in the fourth pannel,can somebody help me? Thank you
fheer21 November 19, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
I wish i could come up with jabs that snappy drunk.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.
@fheer21 he means Paulo made her feel alone aswell
don'tyouknowmealready? November 19, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.
Either Tae is trying some new cool ambeance, or she spilled some grape punch and decided to roll with it.
Someonewhoisntyou November 19, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.
@fheer21 I’m not an english native either, but I think it can be interpreted as “It would be better for the both of us”. Can someone say if it’s correct?
EDIT : Oh nevermind, see above post
MrLempeeze November 19, 2013, 1:27 PM EST.
He is saying something along the lines of
“That would make two of us”
in expansion, he means
“Well you made her feel absolutely alone too.”
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
@fheer21: Sure thing! Mike is saying that Paulo made Lucy feel alone too, by being with Jasmine.
EDIT: WHOOPS looks like everyone else already said that. Well, let’s discuss it! Is Paulo partially to blame for Lucy feeling alone?
GingerPaws November 19, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
I don’t really understand what mike means, can someone explain? how has paulo made lucy feel alone?
neeners November 19, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
Seriously? Mike regretted it and Paulo’s furious at him, understandable. But the comments treat Mike as a Piece of **** and support Paulo at beating and shouting at him, I mean really!
FXMaster November 19, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.
Taeshi hope you reading this you know that video you guys made about Zasmen. is it spouse to be like that or is there just something wrong with the quality. its not showing very well
robyn November 19, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.
oh snap. lots of puffy tails in this one. im suspecting based on that last panel that daisy is about to get involved in this brawl. and i love Rachael’s range of emotions in this chapter. she’s become one of my favorite characters very quickly.
King_Crimson November 19, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.
@don’tyouknowmealready? Oh, you’re right, thanks. But when has paulo made Luct feel alone? I’ve read all the comic and I don’t remember that :S
fheer21 November 19, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.
Hes talking about the actions Paulo committed after his night with Lucy.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.
Admittedly, Paulo DID mess up Lucy quite a bit in “Back and Forth”. But Mike’s being a jerk too. Both of them are wrong.
Snowstar November 19, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.
I can’t figure out if Daisy is sad or angry in the last panel.
Sty November 19, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
Do you think Rachael and Sue were going to assist or stop Paulo.
Now yes Mike can argue that Paulo’s actions regarding his relationships wouldn’t have helped but using it as a defense isn’t going to help him in this situation. He is probably saying it to strike back at Paulo, you could probably put it down to the drink but i expect they are all sobering up quickly due to the way the party has shifted.
Chrisd765 November 19, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
Fuzzy tails. Poofy Tails everywhere.
ChimeraDitto November 19, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
There are only three comments in this section that overtly take a side, and one of them is Paulo’s.
wouldnt say that is filled.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
I know I said on the last page that I wouldn’t be back but this page is just too perfect on so many levels from the art to the dialogue. I’ve just been staring at this page in all its perfection for about 20 mins now. I had the exact same reaction as Paulo here back in the events in “December” as I’m sure many have. I can feel Paulo’s pain and anger so accurately, this page alone is a work of art in itself. Definitely brought up some new things to think about too.
TBlackfeet November 19, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.
Honestly I got lost 3 pages ago, why is Mike mentioning a history essay making Paulo so mad?
Skyf0x November 19, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.
ilovethiscomic November 19, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.
Being an English native, I appreciate people who learn our language
An English Native November 19, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.
Mike Blew up on Lucy in December during the History Essay they were writing.
The next page is a time lapse of Mike telling what happened to them.
Now we are here. Paulo is ******.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.
Whoa, calm down man. Its too bad that Paulo is not mature enough and is quite drunk to hold back that rage. I can agree with Mike that Paulo did little to help or support Lucy of her dilemma. He tried before but he just couldn’t figure out how to handle the situation. In the end, Both of them couldn’t find a way to help Lucy. It is really sad.
Keyblade Dragon November 19, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.
This is getting intense!
Jayden November 19, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.
Alright, so there are more people calling for Mike’s demise now, but that doesn’t change the fact that you jumped the gun.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.
Well, Paulo may have kindled the flame, but that’s something Lucy would have been able to handle had Mike not shoved her away. And had this been SHARED with someone and gotten to Paulo’s ears, you damn right Paulo would be there with Lucy at the drop of a hat. So I still think Paulo isn’t in the wrong since Mike was fully aware and intentional in his actions. Even if the outcome wasn’t what he wanted.
W.E.Smith November 19, 2013, 1:37 PM EST.
@fheer21 I think he’s talking about the fact that Paulo is a lady killer aka a manwhore.
Just wondering, if English isn’t your native language, which is it?
don'tyouknowmealready? November 19, 2013, 1:37 PM EST.
I don’t understand what Mike meant.
yoooooo November 19, 2013, 1:38 PM EST.
@Skyfox They are talking about the history essay Mike and Lucy had to work on together in “December” which resulted in Mike yelling at Lucy and calling her a parasite. Mike told everyone what he said to Lucy which makes Paulo really angry because he now knows why Lucy is gone.
Sty November 19, 2013, 1:38 PM EST.
I can’t tell. Is mike’s comment in the 4th panel saying now that Lucy is gone he feels lonely and bad or is he talking about Paulo helped lucy feel lonely? Someone explain this please
Tigerclaw32 November 19, 2013, 1:39 PM EST.
Might I suggest anger managment classes paulo
Mariasona November 19, 2013, 1:39 PM EST.
Abby still seems mad at Mike, but i love how Diasy looks ready to punch Paulo in the face, lol
Yelikarts November 19, 2013, 1:40 PM EST.
Jeez guys, scan the comments before posting.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:40 PM EST.
Couldn’t take it couldn’t stand another minute
Couldn’t bear another day without you in it
All of the joy that i had known through all my life
Stripped away from me the minute that you died.
To have you in my life is all I ever wanted
But now without you I’m a soul forever haunted
Can’t help but feel that i had taken you for granted
No way in hell that i could ever comprehend this!
RWBY Red like Roses Part 2
This part seems to portray the two’s feelings to Lucy…
Blaze November 19, 2013, 1:40 PM EST.
Well, i can say i didnt expect to see RWBY in the comments here today.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.
I don’t think Mike can blame Paulo for that. He didn’t even know what happened to Lucy. I bet if Mike would’ve told everyone what he said to Lucy in “December” before she left, Paulo would have been there for Lucy and had taken care of her.
Sty November 19, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.
Paulos rage blinds him to were he can’t see that mike truly dose regret what he said to Lucy. Lucy was always there even if he didn’t want her to be but now she is gone and mike is feeling the wait of not having someone that was always there for him.
Blue fox November 19, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.
Hawz November 19, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.
How the hell is any of this Paulo’s fault?
Vigtyr November 19, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.
@Blaze That part might fit more to Lucy’s feelings towards Mike.
Sty November 19, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.
Well, Mike is just saying that Paulo’s thoughtless actions hurt Lucy in the same way his own did. Hes not blaming him for all of it, hes just telling him he had a hand in it.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.
I did not think that Mike would stoop that low. For a second I was really hoping that Mike meant that he felt alone too because of how everyone basically was always nice to him when he was nice to Lucy. But then he always had Sandy, even if they didn’t used to talk as often.
What makes this comment even more of a low blow, is that Paulo really did try to help Lucy. When she got in fights with Mike, Paulo tried to help her, was there for her. When no one else went to go see her, he brought her a slice of cake, to show that someone cared. He was doing his best to be there for her, to help her, even though his own desires wanted him to do something he denied them because he knew she would regret it.
I am usually not very heavily on any one side, but right now, I can’t stand Mike. He lashes out at people with mental tactics that he knows will hurt people by saying them.
Physical violence is not the answer, but it’s about time someone told him off for what he said. He took it too far, and he knows that now, but for the longest time, he didn’t. It was Sandy who made him realize he was taking it too far when he talked about wishing her dead. Lo and behold, he almost got his wish and it made him realize it wasn’t what he really wanted. Paulo is hammering home that it was wrong and Mike is spreading the guilt that he has been holding square on his shoulders since he went to that hospital.
Probably why he didn’t really badly react to the punch. He expected it, probably even felt he deserved it a bit.
GracefulSerenity November 19, 2013, 1:45 PM EST.
Uhhhh, Taeshi, sorry got to ask for clarification again. It’d or that’d? “That would make two of us” sounds more like he’s talking about Paulo (thus i’d get the low blow everyone is talking about, although not really because Paulo has been a bit of a douchnugget). It’d sounds more like he could be talking about himself, that the incident was to keep him from being lonely (thus give validity to people’s accusations that Mike did December solely for Sandy). As it is used more for possessions, places or events. like “oh I loved thanksgiving, it was fun” or “oh look at the theme park, it looks cool” Or something like that.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 1:46 PM EST.
Well I don’t think Lucy made Mike feel alone because one of his complaints was that she was always on his case, treating him like a babysitter so I’m leaning more towards the explanation given a few times already that, after their night together, Paulo went all lady-killer and bagged Jessica and Rachel in such a short time period without so much as checking on Lucy. After that she must’ve felt pretty alone and Mike had to have been aware of that, but I don’t think that is actually WHY he said what he did, he’s just digging back at Paulo (probably hoping to throw him off long enough he won’t hit him again, but I see Paulo at least trying to take another swing).
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 1:46 PM EST.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Mike’s reaction to Lucy was an inevitable event. Years of emotional and physical abuse wore thin on him, and his “friends” were encouraging that behavior from Lucy.
Behind every ******* is a story. The reactions here are dudes saying it’s his fault cause he let himself get abused.
How ridiculous. How crass.
Mike’s going to pay the consequences for his transgressions. But lets be honest here; Lucy drove him to this state.
SeigiRed November 19, 2013, 1:47 PM EST.
The red tint of rage
Laufente November 19, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.
Touche Mike, although what you did was wrong the entire group pretty much singled him out through out the entire story, with Paulo being the primary source of antagonism.
starfighter105 November 19, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.
that is hormones talking
Othoniel November 19, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.
YES! Finally someone gives Mike what he deserves! Now Paulo, give in to your hate and finish the job.
To quote Palpatine; “Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.”
SpiritWolf15x November 19, 2013, 1:54 PM EST.
My “Grammar Nazi” moment aside, no I don’t think Mike deserved this. He deserved a tongue lashing maybe, a good talking to. But this, not really. Especially from Paulo, the current reigning champ of douchebaggery. I actually hope the next page is Mike laying into his *** December style because Paulo has no, zero, nada room to talk.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 1:57 PM EST.
Paulo is a violent brute who is more stupid than David (no offense to David). David may be dumb too but at least he tries to learn, unlike Paulo. Mike is a wreck; he started to sink in December and becomes a shipwreck after the trip to the hospital, and now even as a wreck he sinks deeper. All he can do now is point fingers on who’s as worthless as he is.
Everyone has their flaws here, but these two overall officially stand out from the rest.
ResidentEddy November 19, 2013, 2:01 PM EST.
Y’know, Mike has a point actually. He may have been the one who seemingly directly affected Lucy, but really… What did the rest of them do to help?
Busty Laroo November 19, 2013, 2:01 PM EST.
@don’tyouknowmealready? I’m from Spain, salutes from here to everyone
fheer21 November 19, 2013, 2:04 PM EST.
And that is why i dont take sides.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:04 PM EST.
Look at what you have become mike. Is this what sandy wanted for you?
jbow November 19, 2013, 2:04 PM EST.
Panel 2: PUFF TAILS! I love poofy cat tails!
“It’d make for two of us”
Mike means that HE felt alone too from Lucy’s never ending “keeping her distance” from him. She was cruel to him so often, in so many ways! He felt strongly about her, but LUCY left him in the cold…
He tried to “move on and get over it” but she clung to him like… a parasite. Not a popular opinion around here, I know!
That’s what I think. It’s not about Paulo, although he didn’t help matters any.
5Cats November 19, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.
@sty can fit all 3 when you think about it.
Blaze November 19, 2013, 2:07 PM EST.
It’s pages like this that remind me how manipulative Mike can be.
He’s not one for physical attacks, but mental and emotional attacks are apparently his forte…
Gabba November 19, 2013, 2:07 PM EST.
“happy hour” that’s about all it was huh? One hour before realization, resentment, and rage set in.
jbow November 19, 2013, 2:07 PM EST.
pretty sure he has a repertoire of physical attacks under his belt too.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:08 PM EST.
Here are two people that are emotionally hurt and some people are saying they should fight? That’s just stupid. What would that accomplish besides more hate and anger. What’s done is done. Beating mike up won’t help.
Blue fox November 19, 2013, 2:09 PM EST.
But it would entertain us! :B
Busty Laroo November 19, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.
@jhornbo2 I wasn’t suggesting that lucy made him feel lonely. What I was wondering was if he was saying that he felt lonely because she left and he knew it to be his fault but unable to share this with anyone, unless something like this happend. But thanks for actually answering
Tigerclaw32 November 19, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.
Was going to say that myself. Also I don’t think he’s manipulative, a manipulative person is a specialist at pinpointing weakness’s even in strangers (i.e. a car salesman). Mike just has intel on the group, that comes with the territory. If Mike was manipulative he’d have exploited it on Paulo when he kept sending the cheater brigade after Mike.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.
At least he didn’t say “no I didn’t”.
Friedhelm November 19, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.
Is anybody else seeing the implications of this for Daisy and Abbey? Daisy’s clearly going to side with Mike on this. Look at her. She’s furious. Abbey, being Abbey, isn’t going to condone Paulo’s behaviour, but ultimately he’ll probably side with him and put Mike in the wrong for lashing out at somebody who needed him. The two are passionate enough for this to cause serious problems in their relationship.
Zott November 19, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.
Very true, Blue_fox, a most reasonable view.
That said, most reason left the room a few panels ago.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.
This is interesting. I had not yet put much thought into the others in the room, but you bring up a good point.
They by and far have the most stable relationship of the lot, but will the S.S.AbbeyXDaisy be able to weather a storm of that magnitude? Very likely not, if the other relationships we have seen are any clue.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.
What does Mike mean “It’d make for two of us.”? Hmmmmm…..
And wow Taesh, I like the red background, it really expresses Paulo’s anger.
$adiq November 19, 2013, 2:17 PM EST.
Mike isn’t blaming Paulo for anything. Remember a few pages back when Paulo said something like, “I shouldn’t have gone out with Jasmine,” and then Mike told him, “Lucy wanted me, not you”? Maybe it’s just me, but I read that as him taking all the blame upon himself. I don’t think he would flip-flop on that so quickly.
When Mike says “It’d make for two of us,” he’s talking about how alone everyone else makes HIM feel. These people were supposed to be his friends too. But every time there’s been some kind of divide between him and Lucy, they’ve always sided with Lucy and paid little attention to his perspective. He ends up feeling like everyone makes him out to be the villain, which infuriates him even more because he generally treats people WAY better than Lucy does. The only person who actually seems considerate of what he wants and how he feels is Sandy, and she’s a voice on a cell phone living hundreds of miles away.
So now Mike’s finally going to call his friends out for never having his back. And much like his outburst at Lucy, this has been a long time coming.
A. Nonymous November 19, 2013, 2:19 PM EST.
@SeigiRed Lucy’s behavior really wasn’t the right way to handle their friendship, but don’t you think Mike kinda got himself into all this by becoming friends with someone who was like this since the first second they met? Mike fell in love with Lucy after all the hard time she put him through because he could see the person behind all that . I really think Sandy was the trigger here, she was Mike’s girlfriend since 3rd grade so he would listen to what she says and since all she ever said about Lucy is how much she doesn’t like her Mike adapted these feelings towards Lucy from Sandy even though that’s not what he really thinks about her. I mean it makes sense if you think about it: all the time Mike was loving Lucy but suddenly Sandy says “I don’t like her” and Mike hates Lucy… A bit later Sandy says she didn’t want them to hate each other and suddenly Mike regrets what he said to Lucy and wants to restart their friendship. Mike listens way too much to Sandy and forgets his real feelings towards Lucy. Sandy simply doesn’t know enough about Mike’s friends to say anything about if they are great friends or not. We all know Sandy forgets who everyone except Mike is after 5 minutes (for example Lucy).
Sty November 19, 2013, 2:19 PM EST.
There has been some debate about that, though i personally believe it means something along the lines of
“Well you made her just as lonely.”
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.
I dunno, Abbey is looking a tad less angry. Can’t quite explain his expression in the last panel, but he’s looking at Mike and isn’t glaring. It almost looks surprised. He might end up wanting to hear this out.
Interesting, very interesting. I didn’t think of that. You might be right, he’s definitely riled up enough now and drunk enough. He may end up going for broke. you know like “well it’s out there, might as well roll with it”
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 2:21 PM EST.
I’m gonna roll with the assumption that Mike’s saying he felt alone as well. All of their friends didn’t seem to mind Lucy abusing him, so in a very real sense, he had no one to turn to. His girlfriend was his only real solace and that’s only by phone.
etyb November 19, 2013, 2:21 PM EST.
Yea, but you intentionally did that to her, Mike, and Paulo’s was more of a mistake.
Wat November 19, 2013, 2:21 PM EST.
Mike’s comment could have meant that Lucy also made him feel alone…
JuiceOfOrange November 19, 2013, 2:21 PM EST.
@ A. Nonymous
That is a very well put view, and gives me a lot of food for thought.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:22 PM EST.
What did Paulo do? He screwed up royally! When David asks if Paulo and Lucy is a couple, Paulo says “No” and admits he probably is a rebound.
When David teases Paulo about not hooking up with Lucy, instead of deciding to work things out with her, he decides to go bang as many girls as he can.
He hooks up with Jess, then flirts with Rachel, much to Lucy’s chagrin. He then avoids her so he can go out with Rachel. He’s pretty aware Lucy is ****** off by this, but still goes out with Rachel.
Lucy is ****** still, then he decides he needs to go out with a freshman. Then enters Jasmine.
When Lucy expresses how upset she is with him, he runs away. Mike is upset with Lucy because she’s fickle - first she loves Mike, then she beats up on him more, then she hates Mike, then she beats up on him more, then she loves Mike, then she tries to sleep with Paulo. I don’t blame the poor guy for getting frustrated - she is just a ball o drama then she continues what she does best - beating the hell out of everyone.
Then, after all this excitement, Paulo decides to go out with Jasmine instead of working things out with Lucy even though he “loooooooooooves her”.
Yeah, Paulo is just as much to blame because he was being a selfish jerk (or more appropriately, a hormonal teenager). And yes, even though people can say it was David’s fault for egging him on, if Paulo really did love Lucy as much as he said, he would’ve told David to ‘F it and would’ve worked it out with Lucy.
Kat November 19, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.
Mike: “It’d make for two of us.”
Okay, first of all Mike, you have Sandy who is just obsessed with you as you apparently seem to be with her, not to mention all the other girls still drooling all over you (although this seems to be a dying fad for you, Mike. Daisy is happy with Abbey, Jess is still “meh”-ing it, Rach is playing the mother for Paulo, and Sue seems to be on your nuts in a bad way).
Second of all, you are the one that burned the bridge with Lucy, especially after she came to you and outright professed her love.
Thirdly and in conjunction to the second, you become extremely jealous whenever she tries to find love with other guys or when she is seen enjoying their company.
To sum it up, you’ve tied up a lot of stupid knots in your head, Mike. You act like you don’t care, but you’re wobbly on the inside, and can’t honestly confess that you are over Lucy. To that effect, you are actually acting like Lucy, by damaging her because you are unable to contend with your own feelings in relation to her. Sandy, as much as all of us want to believe that you truly love, just seems to be the stand in or “dummy” for what you couldn’t get with Lucy.
Sort yourself out, Mike, in the truest sense. Stop bullish**ing and face the f**king facts. If you don’t care about Lucy anymore, then stop flinching when she’s taking up a chance with other guys who’ve grown up more than you apparently have.
Blank On Purpose November 19, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.
@ MobileCrusader dam kids and there drinking and emotions are ruining Rachels birthday.
@ Busty Laroo I would much prefer to see Lucy beating up on mike.
Blue fox November 19, 2013, 2:23 PM EST.
I think its kind of funny that a large portion of the discussion today will be either validated or refuted by tomorrows post. Its a curious thing.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:27 PM EST.
hes wrong, even if paulo was with someone else, even if hehas screwd up plenty of times in the past. theres one thing thats true , ands its the fact that paulo has ben there for lucy since the starte.
who was there to mend her broken heart when mike rejected her?
look at the chapters:
pick me up
piece of cake
lookat there entire friendship and tell me he hasnt be there for her
void November 19, 2013, 2:28 PM EST.
@Zott An interesting side development for a next chapter.
Pandora’s box is open, let’s see what comes out. Grab popcorn!
Zof November 19, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.
ehhh, I’d give it a few myself. If he is going to lay into everyone of them then it’s probably going to be a page a piece of him railing on them individually, starting with Paulo (I hope)
Alright let’s say that we are assuming this is a that’d meaning his comment is a dig at Paulo. Yes he was there for lucy when she got her heart “broken” (going to avoid going into a rant about how teenagers really overreact to rejection). But let’s take a look from Lucy’s perspective. What has Paulo been doing, he’s only there for her when she’s emotionally fragile. When she’s not he’s humping anything with a hole. So yes, even if he was there for her a few times, he made it pretty clear to her that he’s only there when he thinks he can “get in good” with her. In other words It looked like he only got with her when there was a chance to bone, that he was being a playa.
Gonna stop you at the start, we don’t know that. In fact we speculated on that a couple pages back that Paulo may not have been in love with Lucy, rather he only lusted after her.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.
Right on. Mike went a bit overboard, but considering the years of abusive behavior thrown his way beforehand, it’s understandable. Said abusive behavior is not.
etyb November 19, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.
I been around here for a while now (since 2008) and i’ve never posted a comment before, but now… now i just think that every one is being totally unfair with paulo, he is the one that loved lucy the most, but he knew he would never be loved back, because she would never going to let go mike (even if he is one of the greatest ********** to ever live), so he needed to go ahead with his life, he made a lot of bad decisions, but not because he was bad but because he was totally insecure and because he never stopped thinking about lucy, that doesnt mean he is a bad person , mike is a very bad selfish despotic person and totally kind of an *******, he even wanted lucy to die!!!!!! and still every one loves him!!!! how can it be??? i already read the whole comic four times and i just can’t understand what i’m missing, every time i read it i hate him more, i think that he deserve to die or at least go live somewhere else with sandy or stuff, that way every ones life will be better and i REALLY think that paulo is the one who deserve to be with lucy and i hope to see that happening some day, if not, i think it’ll be really sad. Good luck to paulo.
Chuck U_U November 19, 2013, 2:30 PM EST.
@Blaze Yay!! Another RWBY fan!!!
This… could get interesting as far as escalating/de-escalating very quickly… And it’s now at a point where people PROBABLY wont wake up and have alcohol-selective memory loss as to the night before…
SO… 1) Still remembering that they are in HS, so while a lot of their actions may not be entirely thought out.. the consequences will definitely have an impact on their adult character, and..
2) I wouldn’t call myself a “mike hater” per se, but there is definitely a differential line between Paulo being with someone (And some people seem to phrase it as if he intentionally was trying to hurt Lucy, and or just have a fling; however, while it may have just started as David-inspired hijinx, Paulo came to genuinely like Jasmine over time.. it just didn’t end on a positive note. I remember being in badly confused emotional states over relationships around that time in my life as well) and Mike intentionally/carefully choosing his words when dealing with Lucy. While I understand that there was a lot of situational-based violence/comedy (whether it was meant to be more comedic or developmental in the comics story) in the past, I just can’t respect that kind of thing.
3) I’m not interested in starting arguments over character biases and/or how they relate to real life trauma, so please don’t include me in any forced-opinion rants/flames.
@Taeshi As always, a great comic. Even on deployment, I keep coming back for more.
WeissFox November 19, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.
All this RWBY talk makes me wonder how many of you are on the RWBY forum i go on…
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.
*clinches chest* D’HOES COLURS!!! HNNNNGGG!!! THE THEME IS TOO REAL
Jaime November 19, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.
According to Taeshi’s Twitter, with “It’d make for two of us” Mike is talking about himself, how he was treated like garbage all the time too. So he is not blaming Paulo.
Sty November 19, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.
Yessssssss, called it!
etyb November 19, 2013, 2:36 PM EST.
Mike is saying, “Well, that makes two of us, who made her feel alone.”
I’m pretty sure.
If not, help us out here Tae!
GingerPaws November 19, 2013, 2:39 PM EST.
look at sty’s comment a couple above your’s gingerpaws.
Also @sty, thanks for that update, I was wondering about that myself.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 2:41 PM EST.
@GingerPaws refer to my earlier comment
Sty November 19, 2013, 2:42 PM EST.
Have a look, folks. Mike’s not talking about Paulo, he’s talking about how he’s always treated like crap by virtually everyone.
etyb November 19, 2013, 2:43 PM EST.
I actually thought that Mike meant that he felt alone as well.
Harl November 19, 2013, 2:52 PM EST.
There are people on here who say Mike is a jerk. There are also people here who say Paulo is just as much of a jerk. And several others say the same thing about Lucy as well…
These comments are one big blame game when really, I don’t think ANYONE was to blame for this.
Reason I say this is because while, yes, Lucy was often beating Mike and such, she did that because of her own insecurities. This cycle had been going on since childhood and it was a cycle Lucy was used to. I’m not saying what she was doing was right or justified, but at the same time she needed help that she was neither willing to get or been given. Lucy lives in fear of being alone and ‘December’ brutally exploited that, breaking her in the process.
Lucy was trying to grow from all of this but in the end… well, everyone should know the answer right now. She’s hurting… badly.
Next up is Mike. I once said that he used to be a likeable character and was even understanding of Lucy’s behavior. But once he reconnected with Sandy, Mike started becoming the ******* we all know and hate in ‘December’. I can’t say this wasn’t coming. Karma has a way of kicking someone hard in *** and Mike is getting the breakdown everyone was expecting! But at the same time, I can’t blame him for all of this.
I hated what he did to Lucy, but I can’t forget that he was once a guy who was so caring and understanding. I think in his own way, he tried to help Lucy… but then things got twisted out of proportion.
Mike could have handled the situation much better. At the same time, neither he nor Lucy had ANY way of knowing that things would get so bad in a few short years.
And then there’s Paulo… What can I say that hasn’t already been said? Yes, Paulo was a jerk, a manwhore, and overall the biggest ******* to walk the Earth! But let’s not forget that he’s also a teenager. Despite his flaws, Paulo has a big heart, even it may not seem like it. Most of the things he did were a result of either peer pressure, insecurities, or poor decision making skills. I think Paulo has grown a lot as a character since this all started. And yet most people keep saying ‘He’s such a jerk!’, ‘Paulo has no right to say he cares!’, and so on and so forth.
He’s a teenager who made stupid mistakes! He knows he’s made mistakes! But every time he tries to make things right or change, he ends up falling back into his old habits… It’s not as easy as one would think. I also believe he truly cares for Lucy and would move Heaven and Earth for her if they were in a committed relationship.
Paulo was planning on devoting himself to Lucy, possibly abandoning his old habits and starting anew with her. But now that she’s gone…. I actually feel bad for him. I’m not saying he’s completely in the right as he’s hurt Lucy before. All I’m saying is that Paulo is just as much of a flawed teen as everyone else in the cast is…
Phew! I think I’ve said all that needed to be said. In the end, I don’t think anyone needs to be blamed. Each played a part in something they had no way of knowing or expecting to happen.
That is all…
Guest D November 19, 2013, 2:54 PM EST.
I think thats kind of a childish way to put it.
“now i just think that every one is being totally unfair with paulo”
It seems to be that the majority of people are siding with him.
“he is the one that loved lucy the most”
He is an indecisive playboy with lots of romantic problems. On top of that he is young. I dont think he has the full capacity to grasp such a feeling. Its more accurate to say he has some sort of impulsive affinity for her at this stage.
“but he knew he would never be loved back, because she [was] never going to let go [of] mike”
He was trying his damnedest if i recall correctly. This kind of feeds into the indecisive aspect of my earlier point.
“so he needed to go ahead… never stopped thinking about lucy”
I attribute this to his Indecisive nature as well. He couldnt cope between his self image and his desire to be with someone he may very well care about. So he took the easy way out.
“that doesnt mean he is a bad person , mike is a very bad selfish despotic person and totally kind of an *******, he even wanted lucy to die!!!!!!”
Paulo is a bad student, a bad boyfriend, and a giant douche. That sounds like a bad person to me. Sure he has his redeeming moments, but they are isles among a sea of ****ery. Mike on the other hand has shown himself to be a rather capable and likable fellow for the most part of the story. It is through the actions of others that he has come to his current state. Yes, he is now a ****, yes he wanted his abuser to suffer a cruel and lonely fate, and yes he has been descending into twatdom for some time now, but inhearantly Mike is a more productive, better person.
“and still every one loves him!!!! how can it be???”
Well, all of his friends have resented him, and the entire fandom is ****** at him. Doesnt sound like a whole lot of love to me.
“i [have] already read the whole comic four times”
I envy your free time.
“and i just can’t understand what i’m missing, every time i read it i hate him more,”
Hopefully this post will help you understand some other points of view.
“i think that he deserve to die or at least go live somewhere else with sandy or stuff,”
While i respect your right to think what you will about the characters, i doubt capital punishment is due for the ‘crime’ mike has committed. He has stood up for himself, first and foremost, and has retaliated against injustice. Then he regretted his actions. he has put himself through mental anguish enough, in my view.
“I REALLY think that paulo is the one who deserve to be with lucy”
Actually, i agree on that point, but thats just because i dont really care, and i see that as the only viable relationship for her at this point.
“and i hope to see that happening some day, if not, i think it’ll be really sad.”
If Taeshi’s writing has taught me anything about this comic, you had better be prepared to get very, very sad.
Post script: I hope you do not take this offensively. I am merely trying to generate discussion as well as help you understand why Mike can be viewed as a sympathetic character.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 2:55 PM EST.
Nobody EVER picked on Mike to be malicious. Except maybe Paulo, but they aren’t really friends and they both do it.
I can’t even… Mike is such a baby. Everyone idolizes him and fancies him. For no reason as far as I’ve seen of his character. It’s gross. And he’d actually say something like “Boo hoo I’m alone?”
With his pretty girlfriend and constant invitations to his friends parties? PLEASE.
Lickit&Stickit November 19, 2013, 2:55 PM EST.
Poor Paulo… ;~;
Emoji November 19, 2013, 2:58 PM EST.
@buchanen Im sorry what? I read that hole thing and it sonded like one huge pointless rant
void November 19, 2013, 2:58 PM EST.
Being Alone and being Lonely are two different things.
He can be surrounded by acquaintances to avoid being alone, but when you feel like everyone is ganging up on you, or doesnt care about you or your opinions, that is when you feel lonely.
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 3:00 PM EST.
What I’m saying is that his own friends seemed completely fine with Lucy abusing him; at best they simply ignored it. Mike’s nature isn’t an angry or confrontational one. He’d rather just focus on school, his girlfriend and having fun with his friends. Lucy’s abuse was making that harder and harder to do; she had no right, none at all, to treat him the way she did. Their friends should have stepped in and told her to knock it off, but none of them did. None of them cared. And so he felt alone, because no one gave a **** about the turmoil he was in regarding this girl that, supposedly, was his best friend. This girl that, supposedly, loved him.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t treat the people I love like they’re lower than dirt.
etyb November 19, 2013, 3:07 PM EST.
No offence at all pal, i think that you made a whole lot of good points there, you’re right it was a bit childish of me to be that absolute.
And for the fourth time i read the comic i have been reading it since 2008 i think i have read it all once per year, since and i work most the time in the computer thats why i have read it that much, i dont have that much free time either, just to make that clear .
Its nice to know the poin of vew of other fellow BCB readers, thanks for yours.
Chuck U_U November 19, 2013, 3:09 PM EST.
@etyb But why did Mike even return to Lucy after Sandy left if she made things so difficult for him?
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:11 PM EST.
I thank you for not being offended.
I actually personally dont overly empathize with Mike’s perspective, despite what the post may have lead you to believe.
I also congratulate you on having a job in these times, especially one where you have that degree of freedom.
Have a happy day!
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 3:13 PM EST.
huh if Mike knew that Paulo despite the incidents was way more supportive these days to Lucy. Maybe not as boyfriend but as a friend who cares a lot about her so he didn’t made her feel lonely. Its Mike who failed in that being still a friend to her. Paulo even brought her cake and showed he was happy to hear from her on the phone. I don’t like how he blame shifts the situation since lets face it. It was December that tog Lucy down for good and he tog advantage of Paulos temporaly relationship to get her finaly snap.
Since that, would you really think Mike really mean it when he offered her to start over? Things wouldn’t change from his negative view I say
So yeah, ******** Mike, you are asking for another punch from Paulo now
I’d be very supriced if Paulo shows any guilt now
Heck, if this was turned around and Paulo did that to Mikes Sandy then Mike would kill him by now… yaikes
EvilKitty3 November 19, 2013, 3:14 PM EST.
Thanks mate, same for you
Chuck U_U November 19, 2013, 3:15 PM EST.
Eko November 19, 2013, 3:16 PM EST.
I am caught up and everything but I totally forgot what happened with the essay - can someone please remind me?
ConfusedNewReader November 19, 2013, 3:17 PM EST.
@Evilkitty3 Mike is not implying it’s Paulo’s fault .
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:17 PM EST.
First, that was years ago; they were, what, like seven or eight? Perhaps he carried with him an expectation that everyone should be nice to one another, and so hoped she’d see that and be nicer to him.
etyb November 19, 2013, 3:19 PM EST.
Happy Birthday Rachel!
13lackout November 19, 2013, 3:19 PM EST.
@ConfusedNewReader Read “December” for context here. Mike and Lucy are teamed up for a history essay which leads to Mike calling Lucy a parasite and that none of her friends loved her for who she really was. which totally broke her causing her to leave. Mike explains everyone what he said to Lucy and Paulo is now angry.
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:20 PM EST.
ooooooooo shoooot… IT’S DRAMA TIME UP IN DIS HERE HOSUE!
wait… What am I saying…
Lyrix November 19, 2013, 3:23 PM EST.
@Sty Oh shoot, duh! Wow, that one went right over my head. Thank you so much, friend!
ConfusedNewReader November 19, 2013, 3:23 PM EST.
Well somebody has to blame someone, that’s the nature of humanity itself. People love to fix things into a neat black and white pile (and no that shouldn’t be construed as racial before someone starts up). If something bad happens then someone has to be to blame for it and the mind begins to rationalize trying to find the culprit. Why do you think the US ended up in Iraq? People were on a kick to blame any country that supported islam as the bad guys.
Then finish or go back to high school (whichever is relevant) if you couldn’t follow what I said.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 3:25 PM EST.
@etyb yea i forgot how long ago that was. I still think Mike is not really being honest with himself though. He depends on Sandy’s opinions on something or someone too much. I really couldn’t understand how he hates Lucy after Sandy said she didn’t like Lucy at all but suddenly when she said she didn’t want them to hate each other he wants to be friends with her again. He should make up his mind on his own without Sandy influencing him even though she doesn’t know anything about Lucy. Either hate Lucy or be friends with her but don’t **** around and cause her a lot of pain (while writing this i notice how much this displays Lucy’s behavior towards Mike… well i stand by my point with Sandy influencing Mike too much though..)
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.
FINNALLY KILL HIM PAULO KILL HIM
he admitted it now perish for what you did to her mike will DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
n-master November 19, 2013, 3:28 PM EST.
Nice lighting, Taesh. Let’s make the world a happier place! *sarcasm*
Carindel Girl November 19, 2013, 3:29 PM EST.
@n-master you are entitled to your opinion but please don’t spam emoticons.
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:31 PM EST.
Take that, Paulo!
Carlitosfmc November 19, 2013, 3:33 PM EST.
I think Mike was justified with what he said, considering how many years of sh*t he had to put up with as compared to everyone else. He kind of let it all out at once is all. Not to mention he fell off a cliff for her and she still treated him rather poorly.
Anon-Anon November 19, 2013, 3:40 PM EST.
Unitato November 19, 2013, 3:41 PM EST.
If you ignore the text in the 1st panel it kinda looks like a creepy yaoi scene… ahaha *cough*ANGRYMAKEOUT*cough*
oy vey November 19, 2013, 3:42 PM EST.
Mariasona November 19, 2013, 3:43 PM EST.
Mike’s opinion on Lucy changed because after years of being bullied, harassed and abused, he’d been conditioned to accept it as normal, acceptable behavior, and it’s not. He’d been conditioned to set aside whatever anguish and pain he felt as a result of Lucy’s actions and chalk it up to, “I’m just being a wuss”.
Abuse isn’t okay. Conditioning someone to just “take it” is not okay. Not wanting to take it doesn’t make one a wuss, it makes one a rational, reasonable person. Sandy helped him see this; in all likelihood, she really didn’t want Mike to hate her. All Sandy wanted was for Lucy to back off and treat the guy she loved with the respect and care he deserved.
etyb November 19, 2013, 3:44 PM EST.
I see a lot of comments try to blame Mike for making Lucy er… My point is Lucy sort’ve already felt that way, she only really saw Mike as a friend and everyone else as a parasite. They wanted nothing to do with her when they were younger, neither did Mike. But he never told her to leave and when she got older and pretty Mike never changed the way he felt about her and that was just perfect for her. Paulo could’ve changed that but it was merely bad timing on his part.
The other girls we’re mostly interested in Mike and didn’t make an effort to really know her, they just saw her as an obstacle to get to Mike. So Naturally she hated them or tolerated them to a degree. Her insecurities we’re already there, Mike blowing up at her was just the final nail in the coffin.
Hill November 19, 2013, 3:45 PM EST.
uh, I’m a bit late, but….
I totally quote buchanen_neket’s first comment of the previous page u_u
p.s. I just tought that maybe when reading the book, it would look better. especially since it’s followed by a very intense page.
boh... November 19, 2013, 3:47 PM EST.
I agree with both of your statements. Giving your opinions with evidence and not angst filled outbursts is exactly what the comment section needs. More of that and less of, “Mike is such a ******!” or “Paulo you stupid jerk!”
The Mylestone November 19, 2013, 3:53 PM EST.
@etyb “Mike’s opinion on Lucy changed because after years of being bullied, harassed and abused, he’d been conditioned to accept it as normal, acceptable behavior” But do we actually know if that is true? As far as i can see this, everything until know could just as well be Mike not knowing for sure how to feel about Lucy anymore after Sandy got him out of that thinking that it was okay to get bullied by Lucy. I think to actually know how he feels about all this we will have to wait for the story to continue.
I can see where you’re coming from though
Sty November 19, 2013, 3:58 PM EST.
You haven’t scanned outside the safe parts of the net have you? I wouldn’t say creepy and more the norm for Yaoi (and no you don’t want to know how I know what the usual Yaoi scene looks like).
Thanks, I honestly kind of got myself into a Charlie Foxtrot because I couldn’t figure out a good way to explain why I thought it felt off.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 3:59 PM EST.
Wow I really like the use of color on this page
DekuMarth November 19, 2013, 4:03 PM EST.
Mike still cares about her; I never said he didn’t. I said it’s not okay to be abusive to someone, let alone someone you claim to love, and that’s it definitely not okay to condition them to take it. However, even after all of that, he still cares about her. Perhaps he doesn’t fully understand why. After all, she spent years treating him like crap, why should he care about her?
Or perhaps he knows why he cares, but doesn’t know how to reconcile that with his anger at being treated so poorly, or the idea that someone he cares about (and claims to love him) could be so harsh with him. These are complex concepts and can be difficult to work through even in therapy, let alone by yourself; they’re not so cut-and-dry as the fandom may like to think.
Telling his friends what happened is, I think, the first real step towards healing on all fronts, but it won’t easy, it won’t be pretty, and it’s quite possible things will simply get worse. These are not adults who should know better, they’re teenagers still trying to learn.
etyb November 19, 2013, 4:04 PM EST.
what does “it’d make for two of us” even mean
is that even english
yitz November 19, 2013, 4:05 PM EST.
@yitz https://twitter.com/Taeshi/status/ 402880206815641600
Sty November 19, 2013, 4:10 PM EST.
Hahaha, Yitz, read the comments, we’ve been going over that. I’ll give the broad stroke (basically what taeshi said he meant) basically that Mike is talking about himself, how he was treated like garbage all the time too.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 4:11 PM EST.
it doesn’t matter how much paulo likes to think he’s been there for lucy or how much he thinks he loves her, he’s a ***** and a cheater, not to mention he’s a goddamn coward.
anyone who supports paulo and act like they “understand his pain” and feel like he’s a victim… should probably be ****ing shot.
paulo has made more mistakes than anyone in this comic, he’s the worst character because he’s basically most of the guys in society, only care about sex, they THINK they care for someone, but when it comes down to the moment where they can prove it, they fail to do so.
how many times need i remind all you paulo supporters that he let a simple BARKING SOUND stop him from helping the girl he “loves” so much from getting RAPED IN FRONT OF HIM?!
that chapter exists, paulo proved his cowardice the most in that chapter… and i am never going to stop bringing it up.
Thanatos November 19, 2013, 4:14 PM EST.
@etyb Good point. I find it really easy to forget that they’re all just teenagers.
Also: Thanks for not raging about other people’s opinions like some others here Discussions like these are why i read comments or write them.
Sty November 19, 2013, 4:16 PM EST.
you talking about me or Thanatos there @Sty? Just wondering.
Don’t bother. Thanatos pops in drops a Paulo rage comment and bounces out without even looking at any replies. He just loathes Paulo and let’s us know it.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 4:18 PM EST.
Huh. Comments are all Paulo cool and Mike bad. Guess I like Mike too much and prefer his character to feel anything. *mountain shrug*
VolnuttN7 November 19, 2013, 4:24 PM EST.
@thanatos what the hell are you talking about? have you even read any of the story of this comic
kane November 19, 2013, 4:24 PM EST.
No sweat. I’m always a fan of calm, rational discussion.
A genuine phobia is no small matter. He has a phobia of barking; it legitimately frightens Paulo to the point that he cannot function. He is by no means a perfect character and has made plenty of mistakes, but I believe his heart’s in the right place. He needs to mature a bit and I think we’re seeing that happen, slowly, as the comic plays out.
etyb November 19, 2013, 4:27 PM EST.
Has no-one considered that what Mike means might actually be thy he has always felt alone too, rather then that Paulo made Lucy feel alone too? Mile’s purpose in this comic has always been basically just to be Lucy’s friend. His role in their little group; Lucy’s friend. When he rejected Lucy, the only thing his friends thought was “poor Lucy, how could he” rather then considering his needs and wants (and the fact that he has a gf already, ya know, minor detail). Even the comments section seems to treat Mike as an accessory to Lucy’s needs.
Could still be that he’s accusing Paulo, and I don’t honestly believe that’s that low. Guys kinda trying to beat the crap out of him, is it that bad of mike to try and say something to get him to stop?
Alpharius November 19, 2013, 4:30 PM EST.
Love the tint! Really brings out the emotion in the comic! You never fail to satisfy! @Taeshi
Maith1 November 19, 2013, 4:31 PM EST.
I like how their tails are puffed out like a real cat cuz they’re mad. It’s the little details that make this webcomic so awesome
Drifterkid November 19, 2013, 4:32 PM EST.
Well I’m glad that they know the truth. I think Mike kinda deserved the punch but it was ultimately Lucy that pushed him into saying it because his talk with Sandy made him realize that it’s not okay to just put up with abuse, even if Lucy didn’t even mean it.
Paulo though. Saying Mike made her feel so alone when Lucy had actually started to like him after Mike didn’t have the same feelings for her. Paulo, being the one who decided to bang Jess and Rachel (Which really annoyed Lucy) then go out with Jasmine despite his feelings for Lucy. Then he only noticed he REALLY liked Lucy while with Jasmine which is not a good thing to realize. But now it’s too late.
He wanted to tell Lucy his feelings but never did, he made out with her but pretty much bottled it and didn’t really get to tell her. And now the opportunity has passed. Though I don’t know why Lucy would have ended up in hospital since she seemed kinda happy to try and start things over with Mike, and I would have thought that it’s something she would want.
I guess we will only find out in the future chapters.
I also get the feeling that Daisy is going to get badly involved some way or another. Possibly trying to calm Paulo down and might end up getting a slap. Which would then send Abbey into a rage. Just my thoughts though.
Bon-Clay November 19, 2013, 4:35 PM EST.
@Buchanen i’m not talking about anyone specific. The Comments can generally be a place where a lot of people rage at each other or yell out their opinion and say everyone else is wrong. To have a good discussion with someone always requires everyone to try to accept someone elses point and think about it before replying without even thinking about the argument they made. I can’t say i was talking about you because most of the time i’m trying not to read all the names except when i’m replying to someone. Sorry if you felt insulted by my comment.
Sty November 19, 2013, 4:43 PM EST.
Now that we know 100% for certain, and it’s been confirmed many times, that Mike is talking about himself being alone and he said it so Lucy would be too, makes me wonder if he had been planning on saying something like what he did for some time before the Blowup in “December,” or if it is something he realized later…
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 4:45 PM EST.
wow. something as simple as a red tint does a whole lot to set the mood.
on a side note.
mommy im scared
josh November 19, 2013, 4:50 PM EST.
Yeah to add to what Bon-clay said, for paulo to having feelings for Lucy leading up to making out with her while she was desperate, and moving on to sleeping with 2 chicks, then daiting another girl all in rapid succession, that did a lot of damage to how Lucy views herself, as well as doesn’t help her issues of rejection and feeling unwanted. What mike said was directed at that, not shifting blame for Lucy leaving, but stating that Paulo contributed to her feeling alone.
Paulo couldn’t have been that blind to see how lucy was warming up to him, even after they had made out. As much as if pains me to say this (because a MikexLucy fanatic) If Paulo would have kept his teenage harmones in check, his pride at bay, and his “mini paluo”
Kari November 19, 2013, 4:52 PM EST.
You pretty much took the words right out of my mouth with your first comment.
Chocothunda November 19, 2013, 4:54 PM EST.
Haha, don’t worry, I don’t feel insulted I get what you’re saying. I just had this weird sneaking suspicion i’m getting the silent treatment today lol. That’s why I asked.
I think you may have misinterpreted. I don’t think he’s saying he said what he said in December to make Lucy feel alone. He’s saying that she’s not the only one anymore. That he felt alone himself. There’s a missing (read: unspoken) word here, I see it as “then it would make for two of us” saying that he feels alone too. I think you’re hearing “So it would make for two of us” which would imply he’s saying he said what he said to make her feel like him. I’m kind of going off of Taeshi’s explanation on twitter here for my estimation of what he’s saying.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 4:55 PM EST.
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Tcj333 November 19, 2013, 5:00 PM EST.
Yeah to add to what Bon-clay said, for paulo to having feelings for Lucy leading up to making out with her while she was desperate, and moving on to sleeping with 2 chicks, then daiting another girl all in rapid succession, that did a lot of damage to how Lucy views herself, as well as doesn’t help her issues of rejection and feeling unwanted. What mike said was directed at that, not shifting blame for Lucy leaving, but stating that Paulo contributed to her feeling alone.
Paulo couldn’t have been that blind to see how lucy was warming up to him, even after they had made out. As much as if pains me to say this (because im a MikexLucy fanatic) If Paulo would have kept his teenage harmones in check, his pride at bay, and his “mini paluo” in his pants, I feel that he could have made his daydream about he and Lucy being together a reality.
On the other side, I have though about if mike could be talking about his friends making him feel so alone, as many people have pointed out and suggested. Reffering back to ‘December’ when a few examples of abuse mike went through and Sandy’s reaction to them. His friends had to have seen it, but I dont think anyone made the effort to approach Lucy about it. Could it be that her friends accepted her as her harsh/abusive? And just brushed it off as that’s who she is?
This by far is the best webcomic Ive ever had the pleasure to read, @Taeshi keep it up!
Ps. Sorry for the partial post, doing this from my phone and trying to steal a wifi signal often proves messy with posting long posts!
Kari-desu November 19, 2013, 5:03 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket I was going off Taeshi’s explanation too, but looking at what he said in the sense that he’s answering Paulo’s question of “why,” it pretty strongly implies that he said it for that purpose, and he either premeditated it or realized that is why he said it after the fact. Implication doesn’t mean truth though, so you could be right.
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 5:09 PM EST.
I read a couple comments of others saying how Paulo needs to calm down and how if he wasn’t drunk he wouldn’t have punched him but to be honest I think he cares so much about Lucy that he would have punched him either way. No I don’t think it was rash of him to punch Mike I think he had it coming to him.
Midstrike November 19, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.
Not going to lie, “so it’d make for two of us” does sound grammatically correct in that the preceding line was a question. That’s why I said I was kind of going off what Taeshi said. However, my gut says that it doesn’t match up with his previous statement of “why does everything have to be my fault?” (or however mike said that before). Why would he say that before if he knew that he said what he said with the intention (conscious or subconscious) of bringing Lucy to his level of feeling like garbage. He would know why in this instance it is his fault. That’s what my gut is saying that it’s then not so.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 5:15 PM EST.
Mike, I think that warrants another punch to the face.
Trubeque November 19, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.
Too many people are in the Naughty Box right now. Too many.
1. Abbey and Daisy - they don’t pay attention to what they do. Daisy is somewhat socially inept already, which gives her a little excuse, but seriously. She mashes people together with little regard for the circumstances or their feelings towards each other. Do not just look: OBSERVE. Abbey, I understand that you have a troubled past, but you are also SMART. Words are weapons, and you were tossing them around like feathers. Think about what you say.
2. Sue - I don’t know if Lucy left you or you left her, but why? Leaving a person with only one support is generally not considered a good idea. With you gone, the only person she trusted was Mike. We see what happened.
3. Rachel - I wavered back and forth on you. My original dislike of you seemed somewhat unfounded, because you seem to take care of people. However, I realized you are very efficient at getting in front of Paulo. He is lazy and requires a lot of momentum to change for the better, and you stood in front of him. Also, why did you give a bunch of depressed, hormonal, conflicted teenagers alcohol at a place with no adults?
4. David - similar crimes as Rachel. Getting in the way of Paulo, plus being blissfully unaware. You skip around, unwittingly delivering chaos wherever you go. Seriously, use the raisin in your head.
5. Jess - Partially getting in the way of Paulo, but more importantly, using him. That was mean and achieved nothing. Fighting evil through hurting bystanders is pointless.
5. Mike - I used to hate you after December, then I realized and felt sorry. Now I just have a kind of disappointment. You felt trapped and hurt, and lashed out. I understand that. December was a mistake - you hit someone who was already wounded right where it hurt, and that happened. I’m glad you told people because it should not stay on you. There was cruelty in your attack on Lucy because you knew how to make her crack, but it was the kind of cruelty that felt justified at the time. However, you have not let yourself realize that what you did was wrong. You lied to yourself in implying that she deserved your lashing out, and you were just recently proved completely wrong. Yet you still try to defend a sinking ship full of holes. Admit your failure and try to forgive yourself. Get with Sandy, forgive Lucy, etc. Denial hurts everyone.
6. Paulo - I like you, because you fit with Lucy. A good part of you genuinely does care. But you have a massive problem. You don’t do anything ever because you never have the courage to stand out. You are kind of a coward, and although you are in the position to help others, you never do because of some kind of mental block. You rage and get angry because the good heart inside of you sees things going wrong around you. Understand, it’s your own fault. Stop blaming others and become a functional human being. DO YOUR JOB.
The only ones not currently in the naughty box are Amaya, Tessa and possibly Lucy. Amaya has not really done anything except be responsible. Tessa was evil, but she made a dedicated effort to become better, and did. She needs a good support group for senior year, but I think that her ascendance will be a happy one.
I’m torn about Lucy. On one hand, she did bully Mike for years. She could not see the good in people and was generally annoying. She was a drag on those that supported her, etc. We all know what she did wrong. And Mike’s eventual reaction makes sense: he snapped. Yet, Lucy bears a similarity to Tessa in that she tried to repent. As the comic progresses, we see her being more loyal to her friends, and helping them when she can. She apologizes for her temper a couple of times, and goes completely out of her way to do what’s right. She has Character Development, and is the first to receive it. In essence, she opens herself up finally. And Mike, who can see only the years of abuse, strikes out against the newly opened flower. In his eyes, the new tenderness is only an effort to confuse him more. For her, it was a way to tell the truth and apologize. She has the sight to see her own flaws. Do you see? So, what do you think?
Also, I do know what this is like. I’m about their age, and have had my fair share of drama. I don’t make those mistakes. They are all kinda too blind to see the emotions of others or their own flaws. I am mad at all of them because they have a problem with observing their surroundings.
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.
Mr-Hero-Bio November 19, 2013, 5:34 PM EST.
@Lordofrye (why did I read that as lord of fyre before),
On Lucy, that’s kind of the biggest issue here. Because of the retcon there’s been a divide, either you loathe her or love (or sympathize with) her, there’s very little in between on her. I think the line is whether the viewer sees her past behavior as abusive or her just being a emotionally damaged tomboy (the mike needs to man up crowd).
I agree with your assessment of the similarity between Lucy and Tessa. Honestly a while back (before her attempted suicide) I thought there was a setup of going to have her repeat Tessa’s history. That she was going to go full darkside mode for a while and then end up repeating the scorn and hate Tessa had to receive for years.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 5:34 PM EST.
and Mike, you can say that “It’d make for two of us” but somehow I don’t think you understand the difference between your loneliness and hers. Though I guess you are both even now.
Now Abbey seems kind of nervous, but still a bit angry.
I’m not sure what to think of Daisy’s expression though
stealthy toast November 19, 2013, 5:38 PM EST.
@weissfox should be a cross over of BCB characters amd RWBY :B
Example: Lucy dressed like Weiss, Jessica as Blake, Rach as Yang….i can go on
Blaze November 19, 2013, 5:39 PM EST.
Which retcon are you referring to? Confrontation?
in that case, confrontation is only one example. There’s also the play, and the times that she tried to thank him or compliment him right before telling her the big truth. Also, if one rereads the older chapters on the site, there are plenty of times that she tries to help out Mike or others. It’s just not enough for some people.
Personally, I support Lucy, as she is the only character that I have seen to consistently try to fix her own flaws. Everyone else seems to wallow, while she improved a lot. I argue that she was abusive, but once she realized, she tried to fix it. When was the last time she hurt someone without justification?
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 5:41 PM EST.
The only retcon anyone talks about around here. “December”, it was a huge retcon to disconnect the comic’s past from it’s silly slapstick roots. It was meant to change Lucy’s past knocking around Mike from just being a bit of slapstick to it having ramifications of actually hurting him. Till then we assumed that any time Mike was hit it followed cartoon rules of reality. That no one is ever really hurt no matter how severe the hit looks and a band aid fixes everything.
Also I get what you’re trying to say, i’m just saying that’s where the dividing line in majority of the viewpoints is. That it lies at the “December” retcon and how people view the past chapters with the change. Like I said, some view it as her being abusive to mike almost the entire run of the comic and others view it as her just being a confused tomboy.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 5:46 PM EST.
mmmmm the drama tastes so sweet
thank you, taeshi
KiraDood5 November 19, 2013, 5:53 PM EST.
I see the confusion here. the word “retcon” means retroactively changing something to fit the story more. December was not such a retcon as a turning point. Plus, the comic stopped being slapstick a lot earlier for me - possibly somewhere around Tessa’s introduction. Also, it became obvious that Mike was hurting somewhere around their big vacation. IDK, I might just see things differently than others. The band aid physics still lasted for a while though.
Ya: people are silly in that they consistently follow others. That’s how sides build up and how flamewars start. I was trying to offer an original opinion on the issue.
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 5:55 PM EST.
@Lordofrye @buchanen_neket And with the exception of Confrontation or the events of the Vacation, there never seemed to be any lasting damage from anything until the specific pages where Mike is talking to Sandy, leading her to say how much she doesn’t like Lucy for hurting him so much. We see him with a bruised shin, a bloody nose, and more so yeah it is a bit of a retcon but not in a traditional sense; it’s not re-writing the history of the characters, just how the audience perceives it.
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 5:56 PM EST.
Okay true, Paulo did leave her alone, BECAUSE SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH YOU MIKE AND SHE WANTED YOU TO BE THE ONE HOLDING HER AND COMFORTING HER. Paulo has always had feelings for Lucy, ALWAYS. He stepped away from her because as much as he cared for her he knew that getting involved with her when she first came to his house wasn’t going to solve anything because she loved Mike. And is it really fair to make Paulo just another Mike? Her feelings did develop for him, yes, but on her own terms, he didn’t force anything with her because he cares and loves her and knew it would only happen with time if she even cared for him. Everyone keeps bringing up the events of the Back and Forth chapter like Paulo is always a player to the end. It’s not fair to Paulo to just be available for Lucy when she’s good and ready, it doesn’t work like that. Why does Paulo have to be the one to make the move? Lucy was so scared of being rejected she might have just out-right rejected him. Hell she rejected Mike back in 7th grade. Paulo stepped back because Lucy wasn’t ready, the only time she really truly confided in him was when her emotions were all over the place and she didn’t know what to do with herself and the next day she wanted to just treat the situation like nothing happened. Paulo never intended to make her feel alone, he was always there for her whenever she needed comfort. She just never took him up on that. And even when he SAW her after the December chapter and knew something was wrong she still wouldn’t tell him of all people what was wrong. Paulo didn’t make the best decisions but he at least tried. He didn’t treat her like a monster, he knew just how fragile she was, and he wouldn’t purposely make her feel alone.
Tealjoy November 19, 2013, 5:57 PM EST.
@Thanatos. I totally agree with everything you say….. NOT.
What the hell is wrong with you. All you ever post is hate against Paulo. I’ve already told you I don’t like him but I think he’s a great character. You are really aggressive. You say that people that like Paulo should be shot. Well I think you should be shot because your just a danger to the environment. Seriously? Do you really think about what your saying? It does not look like you are. Please! Shut the hell up right now . You look like a total *******. People have already explained to you how Paulo is not the worst character in the comment. I think you’ve already read that but I think you pretend to not have, because your just to scared to answer for your self. You know that you would loose an argument.
So for the love of (whatever you believe in) please stop before you make a more fool of yourself
Jonas97face November 19, 2013, 6:04 PM EST.
I know what a Retcon is Lordofrye. Retcon, retroactive continuity, a point in a story where the writer basically says a truth in the story as we know it is not what it seems. I guess at one point before December Taeshi did try to give real ramifications to the comic. I forget the name of the chapter but there was a point where mike got beat up and was pretty bloodied up. But I don’t think it really stuck as it did kind of follow cartoon physics of having him back up and running pretty quick. So it did kind of got brushed off as just another slapstick moment. December was the real point where Taeshi basically put it front and center by more or less saying “yes mike got hurt in the past, when lucy punched or kicked him it really did hurt him”. This stuck because there really was no brush off of this point.
Thanks, you basically just said the same idea but a lot better then the paragraph I just wrote above, lol.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 6:04 PM EST.
And coming back to look at this page I noticed something… That mark on Mike’s left cheek in the top most image and then again when he says “It’d make for two of us.” … Wasn’t he punched on his right cheek?
Wow, seeing a lot of hate sprouting up… Seriously. I usually try to only comment once but I got to mention something…
Your argument against Paulo seems fueled by your own personal issues more so than the evidence you provide.
Yes, Paulo was incapacitated because the bullies created and abused a phobia he has. He has also: tackled Lucy from in front of a speeding car so she doesn’t get run over, swam and pulled her and Mike out of the water when they were drowning and never once mentioned it, made the decision not to take advantage of her when she was most vulnerable, again jumped in front of a speeding car to save a bird from being run over, there are more examples where Paulo has shown he can be very brave. He is a jerk too though. He’s hormonal, he allows himself to be manipulated, and he is very insecure. He’s flawed, like most people. Calling him a flat out coward because of a phobia is just throwing away all the other good things he has done, makes no sense to me. “Whoop! You make mistakes and aren’t absolutely 100% perfect and you have a phobia! You’re a jerk-face ******* coward who needs to die and so does everyone who supports him!” Does that sound even remotely logical? Not to me. If you want to judge, try to look at the big picture instead of putting a microscopic focus on one detail.
GracefulSerenity November 19, 2013, 6:08 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket No problem buddy, I try
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 6:08 PM EST.
I just……I love Mike, I really do. but at the end of the day Lucy always cared. She really did. And even if Mike didn’t return her feelings all she wanted was her friend back. And you go and say you hate her that’s not something you can take back. And If it’s Mike here who feels alone, I find that hard to believe…Unless he means when Lucy didn’t return his feelings, which doesn’t work here either seeing as he reconnected with Sandy and was all over her again. If he meant his friends were leaving him alone…I don’t know how that works either seeing as you’re not Lucy Mike, you don’t push people away (except for Lucy) I really want to see how this ends. Let’s just throw all the damn cards on the table shall we?
Tealjoy November 19, 2013, 6:14 PM EST.
I kind of get what you were saying now. @jhornb02 explained it a little. I was just confused, because i was using a literal definition. The physical pain might disappear, but if you look, there is evidence that mike is hurt by Lucy’s actions before December. It pops up every now and then. I guess now we have a solid block of pure angst, but mental pain does not really work that way until a breaking point like now.
@Tealjoy I do love Paulo, but his actions cannot be so easily justified. He only really helps Lucy when she is in front of him. He could have really helped her by talking to her, but was too busy sitting on his ***. He needs to get up and do something for me to respect him.
Mike feels alone because nobody is on his side ever. No matter what other people do to him, he ends up with the short end of the stick. What are all of those friends worth when not a single one will support you?
@Jonas97face - Don’t go crazy there. “i think you should be shot” I like Paulo too, but screaming at someone who is misinformed will achieve absolutely nothing. If someone is wrong, you talk to them. Otherwise you are no better.
“please stop before you make a more fool of yourself “
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 6:19 PM EST.
That first panel is legitimately terrifying, and I can’t be the only one who thought the red tint throughout the whole page looked like blood.
Hunter X November 19, 2013, 6:22 PM EST.
Red! Red is for anger. Or blood. Or both. Maybe even angry blood! Oooh. :o
Jessica U. Ingmann November 19, 2013, 6:23 PM EST.
That is what people have been trying to do for a very very very long time. But he just ignores people and goes on with his same ****
And it was Thanatos who said that anybody who supports Paulo should be shot
Jonas97face November 19, 2013, 6:25 PM EST.
Thank you Paulo! Even though Lucy was a mega-jerk to Mike (you should NOT hit your friends and berate them constantly!), he went too far with what he said. That was just pure and plain awful and this page is seriously gratifying.
Quietlythundering November 19, 2013, 6:29 PM EST.
At that point, it’s not even worth it. Don’t give him the attention that he wants and focus your mind on something else. it’s the same with all those who annoy for fun: don’t feed them.
If that does not work, imagine him (but no need to say it) in pain. That usually works for me.
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 6:30 PM EST.
Jonas97face November 19, 2013, 6:32 PM EST.
Oh No He Didn’t!!!!
Donnie November 19, 2013, 6:33 PM EST.
I'll Eat Yourself November 19, 2013, 6:35 PM EST.
@Quietlythundering Mike went too far because he felt like he was pushed up against a wall. he fought back the only way he could think of. His reaction at the time was semi-justified. The fact that he has not realized what he did was wrong yet is what is worrying. He apparently still believes that what he said is true. Not sure about his deserving to be punched in the face.
Hurting people should never be gratifying. Plus, what happened to Lucy has some roots in Paulo’s inability to do anything. He is punching Mike because he does not know what do with his own guilt, and so is focusing on Mike’s part.
This applies to @ I’ll Eat Yourself too
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 6:38 PM EST.
Ooo okay I feel sad for Lucy
tabby November 19, 2013, 6:45 PM EST.
Tell it like it is, Paulo.
GooltheFool November 19, 2013, 6:48 PM EST.
Amazingly drawn Taeshi! I love this whole picture of red!
Lindsay November 19, 2013, 6:58 PM EST.
mike=****ed up bigtime…
Lokion123 November 19, 2013, 7:00 PM EST.
what a “fun” party………..
Huntertheshooter November 19, 2013, 7:03 PM EST.
I figure the only reason Mike finally blew up was because he had no other way to get it through Lucy’s thick skull that it is over. How many of you had broken up or told someone who likes you that it’s over and yet that person still insisted on clinging to you to the point of practically ruining a relationship you’re in? It’s unbearable because you want to be friends, but lets be honest - you can’t. Mike has tried being nice about it, he’s tried avoiding her, and finally in a fit of “I’m over it” he blew up. How was he supposed to know Lucy would try to commit suicide?
The worse thing is that even though people TRIED to help Lucy, she flat out turned them away - and got violent about it to boot. Before they went to Acapulco, Tess tried to get both Mike and Lucy to go, and when Mike expressed wanting to go visit Sandy, she obliged. She then tried to get Lucy to come with everyone because the trip would “soften her up”. Lucy’s response was pretty much “YOU TOOK EVERYTHING AWAY FROM ME!!!!!”
If you haven’t been in a relationship like this, I can say IT’S EXHAUSTING. Period. Sometimes you just need a clean break from it all. I applaud Mike because he at least tried to work things out - he apologized face to face to Lucy for being a douche. He admitted they had a LOT to talk about - and he tried to make amends - “to start over” - and to try to make things right. That takes a big person to do that. It’s something that most people would be like “Honey, it’s over. I don’t need your baggage to deal with - I’m over it”.
Mike probably does feel lonely - when it comes down to it, everyone expects Mike to make Lucy happy. As long as he played nice to her, everyone was happy. That’s tremendous pressure on a teenager. It’s really not his job to make Lucy happy. I really can’t fault him for that.
As for Paulo - he has a lot of issues he has to deal with himself. Yes, he was with Lucy in Another Shoulder and yes, he brought her cake - but keep in mind, he also went out with three girls immediately after Another Shoulder:
and, he was also going out with Jasmine at the time of the cake bringing. Sounds like someone is a cheater.
At least Mike didn’t tell Paulo “You’ve liked Lucy all this time yet you’ve had a girlfriend? That’s cheating kid. You’re cheating. cheatercheatercheatercheatercheatercheater” then started pounding on him while getting the whole girl student body to pound on him with their fists and kicking him:
or hitting him with volleyballs
and getting it to the point where it was a welcome thing to have girls hate him.
Kat November 19, 2013, 7:08 PM EST.
Mike, what the hell? Why would you imply that about Paulo? He’s ALWAYS been there for Lucy—I mean, come on! He even touched her boob! That’s, like, the ultimate sign of affection and caring and totally-not-senseless-materialism EVER, right?
In all serious manner, I’ve been all the way through this comic ONCE—I’ve never gone back and re-read any chapters that I recall. That said, when Mike was trying to escape a relationship he didn’t want to be a part of and Lucy desperately needed someone to pick her up, where was Paulo? I realize that he WAS there for her at some point or other, trying to help her keep her wits about her and not do *something* she would regret. But then again, around December, (at least within the same year,) wasn’t he having a falling-out with Tess, or having another falling-out with Jasmine, or taking the one-girl-a-night challenge to impress David or something?
Insanity_Prevails November 19, 2013, 7:17 PM EST.
If what mike had to say to Paulo wasn’t true, then why does Paulo’s look in panel 4 Look like he just took a critical hit right in metaphorical nuts? Unless, the clenched teeth, bowed head, and slightly trembling means:
A: He’s cooking and about to Rage more.
B: Mike’s surgical one liner opened/exposed something in Paulo’s mind
C: Next panel, Paul is going to exactly what he did last time he punched mike, held him down, and yelled at him… Which was cry.
Mike is finally doing what he should have done Way before Lucy left, He’s finally owning up, and I don’t feel any kind of harassment/physical abuse at this point is warranted. Paulo’s anger right now, yeah it’s tainted by alcohol, but It’s also misplaced. Again, Mike’s comment stopping Paulo dead in his tracks could only reflect that.
I see people are saying that what Mike said was a Low blow, or just mean, psychological manipulation, blame shifting, or W/e. I feel like that’s So very far from the truth. Mike is trying to come clean about what he did, What happened then, what happened after, and I feel like if he wasn’t interupted, he would have explained what he Did after the play had happened. He was coming clean and owning up to what he did. To have Paulo, Playing the Whiteknight, Wanting to smite down Mike and punish him for what he did to the very same girl whom he Devastated on several occasions via Stringing her emotions a long, was too hot to keep is mind off of all the other girls around and wait for Lucy, Twisted enough to say “i shouldn’tve messed around with Jasmine” (runonsentencingFtW), Try and silence mike’s attempt to get his feelings across, and let his voice be heard for a change… I feel like Mike should have fired a punch back at him. I feel like Mikes answer was him saying he sees through Paulo’s ********, and Will not stand for being crucified by someone who think’s they are innocent.
I feel like the only way paulo could be exempt from anything mike could say to him to shut him down, is if Paulo Did Not take advantage of a poor situation with Lucy. Yeah, she wanted him to do w/e it took to make her stop feeling the way she did, Yeah she was desperate, Yeah she was throwing herself at someone sexually while crying over the person they actually loved, Paulo knew all this and he could have Avoided that Situation COMPLETELY. You can comfort a desperate and delusional girl W/o making out with them. So with that event happening, and the days following, Lucy’s attachment to Paulo growing quite a bit, She actually having something to smile about, for paulo to go and Sleep with Jess and Rachel, two more situations he could have completely avoided (Ty David for being a awesome influence) That cut into Lucy, that cut down what she thought she meant to Paulo, Played into her Self-worth issues, and that just dealt some major damage aswell.
So Paulo, if you’d please let mike finish, (Someone make me a Kanye/Paulo and TaylorSwift/Mike meme Plz) Maybe we’ll get to hear what mike has to say.
V1A2 November 19, 2013, 7:27 PM EST.
@ Kat & @Insanity_Prevails & @V1A2
Mike blew up because he was backed up against a wall. He was angry with Lucy because of the many things that she did wrong. That’s valid. However, the two were NOT in a normal relationship. Lucy relied on mike because she felt like there was nobody else to trust. And when he lashed out at her, she trusted him: as in she believed what he said was true. This brought her to hate herself. Mike knew about that side of her relationship with him: he states it at the Acapulco. He knew how what he was saying would hurt her, but he did not care because he was so angry. (plus, Taishi has told us that she did not actually attempt suicide). Even if it’s not fair, (which it is not) Mike has an obligation to be soft with Lucy.
That, however, is not the main reason that Mike is wrong. Mike is wrong because he has not yet acknowledged the fact that he was wrong in lashing out at someone fragile. He is also in denial about the fact that what he said is wrong. the apology that he gave was too little too late and also was made out of some sort of obligation rather than genuine forgiveness or repentance. Plus, he basically says “let’s start over and be friends” during his apology, which is very much the vibe I got from her during December. Lucy was actually trying to do that already, in part as an apology for what had gone before, and this happened. Mike does not deserve physical retribution, but he needs to understand what he did.
Paulo has a good heart and everything, but he is lazy and has not helped Lucy. Don’t get me started on his inability to do anything. I like him, and he wants to do good, but he has no initiative and is kinda a coward. In essence, both Mike and Paulo are wrong about lucy.
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 7:33 PM EST.
I kinda want to know how Paulo has interpreted this comment.
we have all come up with a variety of possibilities, and Taeshi has confirmed the right one.
But it took Taeshi for us to settle on it, and Paulo doesnt have that going for him. What if he took it as an insult?
MobileCrusader November 19, 2013, 7:37 PM EST.
@Sty @etyb -With the whole discussion of why get back with Lucy-
Yeah, Sandy was 3rd, and Mike and Lucy were still friends.
By 7th Grade he had all the feels for Lucy, but she rejected him.
(Just ^ was what seemed to be missing in our discussion)
Then he picks out a scarf to match Lucy’s eyes.
In the mean time, he doesn’t have the courage to ask Lucy to the 8thGrade prom… and just fantasizes of Sandy.
In 9th grade Lucy calls him out on his fantasies, discrediting his love for her.
The new forces of Tess and Abby thinking that Mike and Lucy were dating caused more rejection/denial of that idea from both Lucy and Mike. Hence Mike’s first phone call in a long time to Sandy, actualizing the fantasy. This doesn’t really take away his emotions about Lucy, but now he is no longer in limbo between girls. But the pressures don’t stop: Lucy won’t allow Mike to talk about Sandy in front of Yashy, Abby calls him out of only paying attention to his crushes, Paulo got him beat up for still being affectionate towards Lucy, Daisy states that Mike’s friendship with Lucy and relationship with Sandy won’t lead anywhere. Whatever he did, it wasn’t good enough for his peers.
In December we are exposed to the whole physical bullied side of the argument, but I think that the biggest argument for the transition of a friend Lucy to a burned Lucy is Mike not being able to be himself. Lucy expect Mike to treat her the same, while using Yashy to ignore Sandy, and the group of friend continuously coupled Mike and Lucy. We really see some objectification of Lucy in Rising Temperatures and the whole Acapulco trip.
I’m not trying to justify actions, just saying that everything has deep roots in the past actions of the group.
I mean, come on. This is a drama. If everyone talk everything out to another and were honest about all the things… it wouldn’t be much of a drama. :3
Vanvoltra November 19, 2013, 7:37 PM EST.
I think this needs one more “****” since there were only two “****s”. Not enough “****s” were given today. Anyway: can we really say Paulo is not the person to judge Mike?
First of all: @buchanen_neket
World would be pretty much messed up with you in charge my friend. We either agree that every form of abuse is bad, or we say that one form of abuse is “better” than other. You say Mike had right to call Lucy a parasite, and lash out at her, but Paulo don’t have any right to judge Mike. You know, this leaves much space for interpretation.
It’s Paulo. He can be a terrible person, yet he’s always considered best option for Lucy. As far I know it has something to do with cool haircut.
Uh, it’s nice you bring stuff that was written in different tone. Since if we would compare Acapulco arc with later arcs it doesn’t seem like same comic, and I think much of this stuff is supposed to be treated as more or less retconned material. This whole anime slapstick being turned into serious business all of sudden plan was executed rather clumsy, which is why it’s not clear how we are supoosed to feel about previous events. If we’re suddenly supposed to treat all the funny-violence like serious business, then it makes me wonder, why wasn’t Lucy send to a funny house sooner? Since she clearly was dangerous for her enviroment.
@Jonas97face, @Lordofrye, @GracefulSerenity
Stop arguing with Thanatos you big poopie-faces! I know you guys are jelous, since he can always give a moving speech, his reasoning is flawless, and he’s pretty much this comment section equivalent of Old Spice Guy, but that’s no excuse for your hate-filled comments! I know it’s not easy, since with your limited mental capabilities you guys are feeling like an Asians on African nudist beach, while in presence of Thanatos, but you should just shut up, and bask in his glory. Seriously, guys.
Commander_Zero November 19, 2013, 7:40 PM EST.
waitwaitWAIT, when did Taeshi say Lucy didn’t attempt suicide? It’s been the heavy implication throughout, ever since the hospital scene, and I would want to see where she says otherwise. Do you have a link?>
jhornb02 November 19, 2013, 7:43 PM EST.
I feel sorry for the older kids that have to put up with hearing this drama. They seem to have vanished sometime during it. How long has the party been going on, or is it technically over? Maybe we just missed the cake.
Zone November 19, 2013, 7:44 PM EST.
You know I just realized something…where the hell are the juniors/older kids in all all of this? Unless I’m mistaked, they’re all in the same room as everyone. So what, did they leave or are they really just watching this all go down eating popcorn the entire time?
Damage November 19, 2013, 7:45 PM EST.
Laying the blame on Paulo? Really? So not cool :s. Especially since he did look out for Lucy even when he was with Jasmine. Just. Goddamnit, Mike.
Arlyeon November 19, 2013, 7:48 PM EST.
Apparently I am a “poopie-face”. If you read Carefully, you will see that i am actually telling a guy not to rage so hard that this guy Thanatos.
“@Jonas97face - Don’t go crazy there. You said “i think you should be shot” I like Paulo too, but screaming at someone who is misinformed will achieve absolutely nothing. If someone is wrong, you talk to them. Otherwise you are no better.”
Obviously this comment is hate-filled. Obviously.
Also, who would you recommend for Lucy if not Paulo?
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 7:51 PM EST.
I don’t know exactly where it was said, but some of the comments in the section where she was put in the hospital mention Taishi saying that. About a third of the questions asking about her are answered definitively that she did not commit suicide. it’s probs on her twitter somewhere. I don’t know exactly where tho. I think she probably tried to run away from home and got hypothermia/hit by a car.
Edit: I found a reference to a “no deaths” policy of Taishi’s. that does not seem to apply b/c Lucy survived. still need to dig some more.
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 7:58 PM EST.
Paulo stop being a sissy and beat him up already. Sheesh, it’s a party with alcohol, get on with it ******.
Hicks November 19, 2013, 8:02 PM EST.
I believe what Mike is saying is that Lucy did that to him earlier, so they have both felt that way now. What Mike didn’t realize is that he had a fall back in Sandy, while Lucy didn’t have such a fall back, even if Paulo could have been there.
Ice Sheild November 19, 2013, 8:04 PM EST.
This is why I have to laugh about all the other comments.
Lickit&stickit November 19, 2013, 8:11 PM EST.
Paulo: used big punch!
*mikes defense fell!* It’s effective!
Mike used low blow
*Paulos emotional state changed for the worse* IT’S SUPER EFFECTIVE
Mcturtle November 19, 2013, 8:25 PM EST.
As much as I don’t like Mike since December, (Slowly making his way back to neutral though) he pretty much pointed out what I’ve been thinking for a while. Mike may have caused Lucy to crash and pretty much become emotionless, Paulo has been no help either. He gave her the piece of cake, yes, but even knowing she was depressed (more-so then usual) and knowing that someone among her friends was the cause (thanks to Jordan), he still did pretty much nothing to find out why she was closed up in her room, or who caused it. So on this page at least, I’m going to have to side with Mike. I’m just a tad annoyed that it took Mike getting wasted for him to finally tell everyone.
Venorik November 19, 2013, 8:27 PM EST.
i know this is meant to be dramatic and stuff, but i keep laughing.
They are so cute and adorable, just look at their cry baby faces in the first panel. :3
Sweaty Man Armpits November 19, 2013, 8:57 PM EST.
You know what? I’ve been nice today, I’ve tried to keep my cool with everybody here because i’m trying to show i’m not that a-hole that came out a couple days ago. However, now i’ll take your little ribbing and reply back in kind, be advised i’m a tad drunk at this moment (I have the day off tomorrow and starting it right). Yes I think the world would be a better place if I was in charge, you know why? I’d cut out all the ********.
1) All the little under the table pay offs would stop, lobbyist can kiss my *** as they are nothing but corporate goons
2) the borders would be open to everyone
3) religion would be permissible but any religion trying to push it’s opinion over equal rights would get the middle finger and an explanation that they don’t make the damn laws (that’s right none of this damn you can’t get married if your a dude who likes dudes or a chick who likes chicks)
4) Any form of a damn federal bank would go right out the ****ing window, back to the damn gold standard or an equivalent standard. NO MORE ****ING CREDIT.
5) Plain and simple, anybody wants to try and force an opinion through threats and terrorist actions I’ve got a reply for them. Run, run, and when you think your done, keep running because my boys are coming for your *** and there won’t be anywhere you can hide.
6) continuing from 5 remold the military back in to a military force, not a damn office
and that’s off the top of my head. also WEED WILL BE LEGALIZED (none of that other ****) and alcohol will be better regulated.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 9:05 PM EST.
I read that last statement as “I don’t know either.” Taeshi could be pulling our leg with her twitter statement.
And to all those who say that mike was backed against a wall, and that it was to get into her skull that it was over- she had just said that she was happy for him, that she was happy he found someone who made him happy. She wanted her friend back, and was willing to move on. That was when Mike went off the deep end, and why I still don’t like Mike very much. You all try to find justification in what Mike did by trying to say how horrid they were to each other. But she was already willing to change. She was bettering herself. But Mike still went of like a firecracker at her.
Renadt November 19, 2013, 9:10 PM EST.
I think that it was Lucy’s fault to begin with. She abused Mike for years and years and no one cared.
Solaris November 19, 2013, 9:29 PM EST.
Are we supposed to know what they’re referring to? Because I’m completely lost.
Whop November 19, 2013, 9:30 PM EST.
Yeah, he mad. Also, @Solaris, that isn’t the same as essentially saying that everyone you care about is going to leave you because of a deliberate decision by the only person you have ever loved.
Arkantos November 19, 2013, 9:36 PM EST.
Getting off my campaign speech, @Whop, the past page was recounting the events from December till now. Paulo is retaliating for that on this page and mike is saying that over the course of the comic he’s felt alone (well as far as we’ve seen, could be the entire time he’s know the group). Any other clarification you need feel free to ask.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 9:50 PM EST.
All these things make me so mad
its like everyone was friends with Lucy but no one ever really cared about Mike and what HE was feeling
its like “Oh my god you were tired of her beating you up and making you feel miserable? That’s ******** man”
while if Lucy had been in Mike’s shows I BET you they would all be telling her to make Mike **** off or something
I mean yeah I get Mike was a bit harsh with his words but you must understand he’s a teenager and we’ve ALLLL said harsh things to someone that’s already gotten to our nerves after bottling up for so long
(do you all appreciate the fact that he was bottling up because he knew what would happen to Lucy if he talked?
but then Lucy asked him to be honest with her about stuff cause that’s what friends do and whatnot and I guess he went in a tangent because Lucy hit his soft spots)
and that later on he DOES realize he appreciated Lucy as a friend but if that wasn’t blame enough he just doesn’t have friends at all
the only one that’s actually there for him is Sandy and that makes me hurt
everything revolves around Lucy
how can Mike haters not understand the frustration that cat-boy must be feeling
overall though I love how events are unwrapping themselves
I adore this comic with my soul /)/////(\
Milkfruit November 19, 2013, 9:55 PM EST.
I was the one who said that Mike was backed against a wall. By that I mean thatree he felt like he had no choice whatsoever. At that moment, Lucy really tried to be happy for him, but he interpreted it as her being oppressive becuse he was confused. I was saying that I could understand why he did it: not that it was right. He did something wrong, and can be forgiven, if it were not for the fact that he has not yet admittted his wrongness. At that point in December, Lucy was tring to make amends and be forgiven.
@Solaris: She did try to apologise and make up for her mistakes. Its called character development. Does she deserve a second chance like Tessa?
Lordofrye November 19, 2013, 10:05 PM EST.
Am I the only one thinking:
“Come on Paulo be a man…you’re already on top, now just tell Mike to bite the pillow cuz you’re going in dry.”
Come on guys aren’t you feeling it?
Like maybe the red could be love
Silveryogurt November 19, 2013, 10:08 PM EST.
(… What? … … … Okay no, I’m really not sure how Mike’s going to justify that statement or what evidence he’s going to pull. I’m just going to sit back and wait for him to give me reason to hate him again, because it looks like he’s about to.)
Allsmiles November 19, 2013, 10:10 PM EST.
Come on man, look how long it took for Tessa get redemption. That should be a sign man. Redemption doesn’t come easily, you have to fight hard and everyday prove you aren’t that same person. Abuse is a serious breach of trust man, once you beat the hell out of a person the trust is broken. Years of abuse equals years of broken trust. Takes a long time to rebuild from that, she may have developed as a character but she still needed a bit to prove to Mike she wasn’t that person anymore. Now I think mike was extreme but a couple chapters of growth is not anywhere near close enough for her to rebuild the trust needed to talk to him on a civil level.
buchanen_neket November 19, 2013, 10:13 PM EST.
Everything is red now. o_o
BlossomWolf November 19, 2013, 10:14 PM EST.
1. Despite Paulo’s repressed feelings for Lucy, it’s not actually cheating to give your dear friend a present. I find this mindset a bit bizarrely possessive.
2. “and getting it to the point where it was a welcome thing to have girls hate him.
What do you mean “getting it to the point where it was a welcome thing”? It would have been welcome from the beginning. Mike always hated how all the girls in his school were crushing on him. This has been a problem for him since the beginning of the comic. In the comic linked he explains that an unexpected upside of the cheater squad is that he no longer has that problem.
NtG November 19, 2013, 10:18 PM EST.
I am pretty much in love with this chapter so far! The only thing that could make this better would be Lucy showing up, and her and Paulo start dating. But that would just be gravy.
Paulo Lover November 19, 2013, 10:20 PM EST.
I wonder how much of this they will remember when they wake up hungover.
Mayor Incognito November 19, 2013, 10:24 PM EST.
YOUR FEELINGS HURT ME
isabelle November 19, 2013, 10:27 PM EST.
YES! Paulo is taking the place of an interactive web-comic, where readers could actually effect the comic. >:D
Only, I also want Mike to be replaced as a best-friend because he just doesn’t understand how much he screwed up.
guavacados November 19, 2013, 10:51 PM EST.
All I am really getting from the comments is that mike is a ***** who let a girl “abuse” him all his life, then waits until another girl points it out for him say something at last and then when the same girl tells him oh no that’s not what i wanted to happen he feels bad. Have you no mind of your own mike? And now you feel that you always felt alone? Nonsense.
Then paulo. Insecure as hell paulo. He’s slept with two people the entire comic, and had one relationship but he is a *****. Come on. really guys? He wants lucy but feels like he has something to prove by being that guy. He shows development sometimes then goes backwards. ugh. I want them both to beat each other, maybe both will gain some sense.
Oh well November 19, 2013, 10:55 PM EST.
I have the feeling that Mike is turning into a very interesting case study. Create a character, Make everybody hate him. Don’t let a page go by without some form of mike hate poorly justified or not. Then wait and see how long it takes for him to snap and go on a psycotic happy fun times killing spree among his fellow cast members.
Because I seriously think that is where his story will end up going if he doesn’t stop getting so much hate from everybody else in this comic, a brain can only take so much before it Snaps.. Clock is ticking fellas clock is ticking.
Steel Wings November 19, 2013, 10:55 PM EST.
Nice use of red in this comic, Vera. It really makes Paulo’s rage feel absolute. The diminishing red by the end of the comic gives me the impression he’s calmed down somewhat. It’s amazing what a slight difference in color can do.
Chronos November 19, 2013, 10:59 PM EST.
oh my god i love this page so much. The color is so amazing i swer to gog this is very fantastic absolutely bless this page
MimiChan November 19, 2013, 11:09 PM EST.
Okay, is Mike saying that Paulo also made Lucy feel alone?
Or that he—as in Mike—also felt alone?
Dinique November 19, 2013, 11:26 PM EST.
Yeaaah…newcomer to the comic here…But my impression over what Mike said at the end is basically “Oh no, I can’t cope with what I did and have to deflect it on everyone else who really isn’t that responsible!” What a cop-out way to defend himself. He was the one character that meant the most to so many of the female leads and he throws everything back at their faces in a way that makes them feel terrible. Not in a way that is considerate, but forceful and mean. I will be one of the first to defend Mike in the fact that he made mistakes, everyone does. He interpreted his situation the wrong way and it festered in him for too long…but the fact he keeps on deflecting it is making me lose sympathy for him. He needs to own up for what he did - though I guess I could understand the burden that would bear on him. Paulo had no real responsibility or obligation other than to be there as a friend who cared. He fulfilled that with flying colors. I don’t understand how Paulo really messed up - the only harm he inflicted was indirect and completely unintentional. Certainly a less painful blow than Mike telling Lucy, his near life-long friend and sole confidant, that he hated her.
slysrob November 19, 2013, 11:33 PM EST.
I don’t honestly side with either Mike or Lucy, but I think honestly they both did wrong. Lucy hit him which is never okay, but he egged Lucy on knowing her reaction would be violent. He purposefully provoked her more than once. http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c2/p1.html
Lucy should not have been abusive to Mike but in my opinion they both abused each other, Lucy hurt Mike physically and he hurt her emotionally and I’m not just talking December, I’m talking dumping her the second Sandy came along, constantly calling her names and saying she’s not really a girl. He did the same thing with Yashy. http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c4/p1.html
He also was plain nasty to chirpy during the Christmas party telling her she was a kid who could never understand what it’s like to be left.
So in the end, Lucy is physically and emotionally abusive and Mike is emotionally abusive, neither is right or okay, neither was warranted, they both have their issues. I do have to say that Mike really needs to stop playing victim here, he screwed up and he needs to admit that what he did in December was wrong, just like Lucy admitted that what she had done in the past was wrong. All I’m saying is they both screwed up and Lucy made an effort to make amends, now Mike needs to do the same.
Fox November 19, 2013, 11:39 PM EST.
You know, everyone keeps talking about how Lucy kept hitting him, but HE. HIT. BACK. To Lucy, that was play-fighting that didn’t mean anything bad. It was part of how they connected. Up until Sandy said that she didn’t like how Lucy kept hurting him, he never even thought of whether or not hitting each other was bad. Because it really wasn’t; it was play-fighting. Roughhousing. A timeless game between friends, and Sandy only knew that Mike got hurt and none of the details.
Lucy didn’t really know any of the social norms, because no one but Mike tried to connect with her outside her house. It’s natural to cling to the only person that seems to want to give you the time of day, and he was her closest friend when she had more people that were willing to talk to her so she still hung out with him the most.
He never said to her “You’re hurting me, stop it”. Instead, he said “Oh, I’ll get you for that” in a playful way and whacked her back. If ANYTHING is to blame for her turning out “abusive”, it’s MIKE for not telling her it was bad and even encouraging it by hitting back! So, sorry people, but Mike is still a horrible ******* any way you look at it. He led her to believe it was all fine, then slapped her in the face. He deserves the guilt and Lucy is not to blame. Lucy is the victim in this situation.
Zone November 19, 2013, 11:44 PM EST.
Oh YES ! More drama !! Can’t wait for the next one !
Dekolantzen November 20, 2013, 12:02 AM EST.
Okay, I know that Mike made AN ABSOLUTE DICK MOVE by saying those things to Lucy, and he should definitely PAY for the **** that he told her, but let’s give him a break. Guilt’s been eating at him ever since and he doesn’t know what to do anymore. Let’s not forget he has feelings. Yeah, he’s a ******* ********* who ****s up a lot, but he has feelings to. He hurt Lucy, and he’s hurting too. And Lucy— yes, Lucy hit him, but she loved him, we all know that, and only had the courage to tell him during a certain chapter we all know. She couldn’t tell him at first, and so she hit him to hide it until it became a habit— a habit she couldn’t break. They were both wrong, and they’re both suffering because of it.
X November 20, 2013, 12:04 AM EST.
As someone else posted earlier;
Give Mike a break guys.
Rayn November 20, 2013, 12:18 AM EST.
None of anything is Mike’s fault. He had to deal with her forever. And now he has to deal with this for telling her the truth? Being in Mike’s position is really sad.
Icing November 20, 2013, 12:19 AM EST.
PAULO. FINISH HIM.
And what even the hell does “It’d make for two of us” mean?
If he’s referring to himself, i.e. “bawww y’all made me feel alone”, then A: that’s not an excuse for taking it out on Lucy, and B: WHAT EVIDENCE EXACTLY. IF YOU FEEL ALONE, IT’S NOT FOR LACK OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COMIC ADORING YOUR FURRY ***.
Trying to make yourself look like the victim is pretty dickish, even for you, Mike. Ew. Ewewew. And there I thought my heartburn was gone…
Ali November 20, 2013, 12:21 AM EST.
If Mike is seriously trying to turn this around on Paulo, he needs to stop. He just needs to ****ing stop. Nothing Paulo has done in regards to Lucy even approaches the scope of what Mike has done, and this is just Mike trying to shift the blame for him acting like an *** yet a-f***ing-gain.
He’s dealing with his problems like a child would and he needs to knock it off.
CC November 20, 2013, 12:22 AM EST.
Don’t forget that Mike was hurt too Paulo, it wasn’t just Lucy who felt alone. Mike tried, he really did, and he was tired of waiting. He may have said some really messed up things, that I personally don’t approve of, but he had been abused for so long and he just got tired of it. I don’t blame either of them for what happened, they both made mistakes and hurt each other, but now it’s time for them to grow up and move towards one another or move on.
I still really hope that Mike and Lucy end up together, I’ve shipped them from the start.
Alex Sigma November 20, 2013, 12:22 AM EST.
Glad for the repost. I was confused as well as to the use of “It’d” vs. “that’d” and the target. Really changes a lot of emotions regarding what was said. Even though I think Mike still made the more grievous mistakes in this situation >_>…Though I wonder if it needed to be reiterated that Mike does feel some sense of loss and despair since it was well illustrated just a little while ago after he left the hospital.
slysrob November 20, 2013, 12:25 AM EST.
What I don’t understand about the Mike supporters is this:
Alright, so yeah, Lucy and Mike’s relationship and his belief that it was toxic is what ultimately led him to feel hurt and cut her off. Okay. I get that.
What I don’t get is how callously he went about it - first by ignoring her/dismissing her, making it clear he didn’t want to be around her etc (such as when he childishly made a fuss at having to be paired with her for the essay).
And then ultimately saying all of the crap in December which STILL gives me heartburn when I think about it.
His unhappiness EXPLAINS his actions; but it does not EXCUSE them.
Alright, Lucy had her issues, yes. But remember that once she realised that her actions were hurting Mike, she made efforts to fix them and make amends. That’s pretty mature for any teenager to recognise their own faults and then try to mend them.
In contrast, what’s Mike doing? Alright, so he’s realised that what he did was wrong and he feels guilty. But is he trying to make amends? Is he genuinely sorry? No. Look at this page - he’s actually trying to JUSTIFY his actions, make himself look like a victim - he’s in denial that he did something wrong. Wow. Much mature.
Yes, Mike attempted to end a relationship that he felt was toxic in order to grow as a person. Everyone has the right to do that.
But NOBODY has the right to treat another human being the way Mike treated Lucy, and that is where my problem lies.
Ali November 20, 2013, 12:40 AM EST.
Am I being insensible?? I simply don’t see what Mike means by “it makes two of us”
@Ali: I like your comment, you are so right and I know it first hand.
Vanilla November 20, 2013, 12:41 AM EST.
“But NOBODY has the right to treat another human being the way Mike treated Lucy, and that is where my problem lies.”
An argument can certainly be made that Mike went a bit overboard in “December”, and honestly, I think he did. However, that statement of yours also applies the other way—that Lucy had no right at all to treat Mike as poorly as she did. I understand she attempted to soften up and make amends, and perhaps over time, it may have worked. However, she never attempted to actually talk to Mike about everything that’d happened, as if in her mind a simple apology was enough. It wasn’t…and often isn’t in real life.
etyb November 20, 2013, 12:56 AM EST.
I absolutely love your initial comment and all of your responses. I really do like Paulo quite a lot, but reading your analysis of him hit home for me. I see it now. Really freakin’ clearly. You’ve made the most sense of anyone who has ever commented on a chapter page. If Paulo was only more driven, he could be so much more. That makes me wonder if his dad is a heavy influence on him…
I’ve been thinking that for the last few pages. 83
Yaschiri November 20, 2013, 1:00 AM EST.
Sooooooo…NOT SO Happy Hour?
Meridian November 20, 2013, 1:05 AM EST.
Dang it! I was just going to say that!
Mr. Me November 20, 2013, 1:17 AM EST.
I invishioned everyone beating the **** out of him. This page didn’t disapoint. Last page showed he told them everything we know. HIT HIM TWICE FOR ME PAULO!!!!!!!!
JustSomeCritic November 20, 2013, 1:25 AM EST.
All I can think of is when Paulo broke up with Jazzie and said “Someone punch me in the face” to which Mike replied, “Nah, that’s your gig.”
Sobsobsob why is the foreshadowing so DEPRESSING sobsobsob
it was slapstick
SLAPSTICK I TELL YOU
Anu November 20, 2013, 1:38 AM EST.
The interesting thing about some of these characters is how they draw us in. Also, the fact that we expect them to have whole picture perspective (like us, on the outside looking in), to see the whole forest, when they can only see their perspective (they can’t see the forest for the trees).
Take Mike for example. Mike acted according to script. It wasn’t right, or fair, or decent, but we all should have expected that a mile off. Wounded, or emotionally damaged people have a tendency to perpetuate wrongs on other people, particularly on the repentant. “How dare they have positive change and leave me broken! Don’t they know what they did to me? They have to suffer! Feel what I felt!” Forgiveness comes hard to these people. God help the repentant bully that leaves an opening like the one Lucy gave Mike!
Lucy was a bully. Whatever her reasons were for being so, the fact is, that was what she was. And she hurt Mike deeply. And while she was in the midst of positive change, she failed to reckon how carefully she should handle Mike. You can’t just beat on a guy for years, turn around and say “I love you,” and expect the years of pain to go away. It’s not that easy.
But at the same time, she was changing. She was maturing as a person, and coming to terms with her own feelings. It was during this process of coming to terms with her feelings for Mike that mike damaged her emotionally. At a time when Mike’s opinion meant the world to Lucy, without cause or provocation, he broke her spirit, and the roles were reversed. the victim became the bully, and the bully the victim.
I think her exodus will do the both of them good in the long run. They need time apart. It may take a long time for their friendship to heal, and love may be out of the question, but its something.
Something kinda like the end to that movie with Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn.
A bittersweet something.
Meridian November 20, 2013, 1:40 AM EST.
funny thing is, forgiveness doesn’t help other people more than it helps you. Forgiveness is letting go of hurts, saying to yourself, “I’m not going to let that thing hurt me anymore, or define me with its pain.”
People think if you withhold your forgiveness, you’re hurting others, and you may be. But the main one you’re hurting is yourself, by holding on to the pain of what you went through. the second one you are hurting are those who care about you, because they have to see you in pain, and occasionally, when you resist efforts to heal, you lash out at them.
Mike would never have hurt Lucy, if she didn’t care about him.
Meridian November 20, 2013, 1:50 AM EST.
The rage is bleeding off this page. I love it.
Edmond Dantez November 20, 2013, 2:26 AM EST.
WHAT. WHAT MIKE WHAT. I AM 6275% DONE WITH YOU. “It’d make two of us”?! WHO exactly comforted Lucy when she cried over you?! WHO did his best to be there for her?! WHO picked her up after her confession to you?! WHO called her when he noticed she wasn’t around?! WHO skipped school and spent all day making sure she was safe?! Got those questions answered? Good. Now, who ignored her? Rejected her? Lashed out at her rather than confronted the problem?! BRUTALLY ATTACKED HER EVERY MENTAL WEAK POINT WHEN SHE WAS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE UP WITH YOU AND WAS ALREADY TORN UP INSIDE?! Got those answered? GOOD. NOW CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY “IT’D MAKE TWO OF US”?!
Mike, I used to like you. I WANT to like you. You’re cute, modest, smart, and kind - or at least, I USED to think you were kind. I want to like you, but you sure as hell aren’t making it easy for me.
As other people have pointed out - once again, attacking your friends’ emotional weak points to take the pressure off yourself. Way to go. Why don’t you just own up for once in your life?
Swift November 20, 2013, 2:29 AM EST.
Mike, you are an emotional ****in’ cripple, your soul is dog ****, each and last thing about you is ugly.
Kanashe November 20, 2013, 3:28 AM EST.
Okay, I can understand that Paulo wants to stab Mike in the throat right now, but Paulo did choose Jasmine over Lucy for a while there. When he realised he was in love with Lucy, he broke up with Jasmine so he could be with her. At that point, Lucy had become extremely depressed, suicidal, and mentally unstable. She didn’t care anymore, because everyone around her had bigger problems, and she didn’t want to make anyone worry. She was afraid to ask for help, and I can understand why. It is partly Mike’s fault, and just because he has a dick does not allow him to act like one. Guys need to realise that now. Especially Mike. Your behaviour pushed Lucy over the edge. She was getting worse AND YOU REALLY ****ED IT UP THIS TIME! I really don’t like Mike at the moment, he’s turned into a total douche. It’s great getting to know the ‘not-so-main’ characters, but in a way, I’m really curious to find out what actually happened to Lucy. Her return will be very spectacular. Especially for all her huge fans out there.
Christen November 20, 2013, 3:41 AM EST.
Mike’s comment isn’t directed at Paulo. He’s referring to himself. Lucy spent years harassing him, abusing him, treating him like anything other than a friend. It wore on him and hurt him deeply. But I imagine the worst part was seeing his friends all turn a blind eye to it, as if it were nothing more than playful teasing. It wasn’t.
Not being able to count on your friends to help you, that’s what it is to be alone.
etyb November 20, 2013, 3:42 AM EST.
HongKat November 20, 2013, 3:56 AM EST.
Aaaw…How sad for poor wittle Mikey, here let me play a sad melody on the worlds smallest violin, then maybe we can head to a pity party cafe where he we have a special meal with an side order of ‘cry me a river’. Seriously, I don’ give a toss if he was ‘abused’, at no point did he try and stop Lucy or talk with her about it. So his entire “Whaaa..Whaa…I’m abused! Poor o’me!” argument is rendered mute from point numore uno, instead he acts like a tosser and verbally crushes and destroy’s Lucy, while knowing what psychological issues she has. An then he gets the balls to say that HE was suffering? That HE was the victim? That everyone should feel sorry for HIM? Yeah, screw that noise, I’ll feel sorry for him when this jackhole gets everything he had coming to him ten fold.
Kanashe November 20, 2013, 4:26 AM EST.
I believe the onus on stopping abuse should not have to be on the victim, but rather the actual abuser. Lucy should never have treated him so poorly in the first place. Mike’s lashing out at Lucy was a bit overboard, I’ll say that, but not surprising considering the frustration and anger he must have felt having to deal with this person he no longer wanted anything to do with.
The point of this story, I think, is to have empathy for all parties involved; I see a little of myself in each character and understand how they all must feel at the moment. I understand Lucy’s insecurities and anxieties, as I have a number of them myself, but I have never hid behind or used those as an excuse to harm people I care about. I understand Mike’s resentment and anger from being treated so poorly by someone who claimed to love him, and then having his friends ignore the situation altogether. And I understand Paulo’s heartache from no longer being able to be with the girl he loves.
The issues presented in this comic are complex and deserve serious thought; they’re not a matter of black-and-white, cut-and-dry morality. As I said earlier to Sty, remember that these are not adults who should know better, but rather teenagers, children, still trying to learn.
etyb November 20, 2013, 4:39 AM EST.
yeah…. he mad..
Whimsicott November 20, 2013, 6:12 AM EST.
“Thanks, I honestly kind of got myself into a Charlie Foxtrot because I couldn’t figure out a good way to explain why I thought it felt off.”
lol, in fact I gave up in trying to write it because I really had no idea of how to say it.
don’t reply to thanatos, he doesn’t read what you write. just ignore him and, if you want, start a campaign to make his comments get deleted automatically >_>
(he would never notice anyway, if the comments get deleted like 2 minutes after he writes them)
boh... November 20, 2013, 6:30 AM EST.
Well, Mike kinda deserved it, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ……..
But in other side ….. OH HELL YEAH, MIKE, FINALLY YOU GOT A PUNCH IN THE FACE FOR WHAT YOU DID TO LUCY. Oh, well, that was everything I wanted to say ^^ Oh, and yeah i don’t remember what page it was, but somewhere Taeshi sayd that Lucy IS actually Sandy or something like that … And now that I mention it , then they really DO look alike —-
or they are sister… oh, that would be awsum!
awsumgurrrl November 20, 2013, 6:37 AM EST.
@awsumgurrrl: what the hell are you babbling about?
The only thing Lucy and Sandy have in common are their white fur and penchant for ribbons… We’ve seen both Lucy and Sandy’s moms, and they’re different people completely. Either you’re referring to a troll post, or you missed something somewhere. :|
daft_inquisitor November 20, 2013, 6:57 AM EST.
Woah, the red in this page gives Paolo a whole new level of a violent and aggressive. Alcohol doesn’t fit for everyone, kids.
Jeesh November 20, 2013, 7:50 AM EST.
@buchanen_neket: “Retcon, retroactive continuity, a point in a story where the writer basically says a truth in the story as we know it is not what it seems.”
That… that’s not retcon. Retcon is when an author goes back and changes events from the past to make them fit better with the current story. It’s not the same as “making a truth not what it seems”, rather, it’s changing an old truth to a completely different one and erasing the old truth from existence. That’s why it’s “retro-active” continuity. Otherwise, it would just be continuity.
daft_inquisitor November 20, 2013, 7:56 AM EST.
@Mr. Me Sorry I used your line, but you know, you could always use that song!
“‘Cause it’s a bittersweet, candy bowl that’s life!”
… oh wait… :-/
Meridian November 20, 2013, 9:20 AM EST.
I think it’s telling Mike caught the punch for Jordan, but never catches Paulo’s punches.
blame it on the a-a-a-a-a- alcohol?
Meridian November 20, 2013, 9:26 AM EST.
Taeshi I love your comments! They always make me laugh and diffuse the tension from the page, hahaha. Also, love the colors and style to illustrate the anger here. (angry drunk people, goodness!) It’s moments like these, with their tails, that I remember that everyone is dogs and cats, lol.
I wonder what Abbey’s thinking in that last panel? :3
+bird+ November 20, 2013, 9:30 AM EST.
taeshi must be a brilliant writer if she’s able to inspire so much hate for her characters! I wonder if she’s getting death threats yet?
You know, like George r r Martin,
Meridian November 20, 2013, 9:50 AM EST.
i think Mike went far too far in december, but with Taeshi’s twitter post - I am so glad Mike isn’t letting the others off.
Its been a while since I’ve had time to read the earlier issues, but I’m sure when Mike was just getting back in touch with Sandy, he asked Lucy if it was okay, and she encouraged him to go out with her.
then once Lucy changes her mind, despite her abuse, all her friends come to Mike yelling, calling him a jerk because he rejected her - Even Abbey, who is one of the most level-headed characters (when he’s not angry) said “What reason could you possibly have to turn her down?”
Sue was mad because “All this drama would have finally been over!” as if it was mikes responsibility to act like a pacifier for Lucy. And then when he explained again that he loved Sandy, she proceeded to cast them in a play together.
They’ve watched her yell at, punch, kick and mentally mess with him for 10 years, and done nothing. None of them tried to explain “Look, your actions are hurting your relationship with your best friend” like Zachary tried too.
The only person who seems to honestly care about Mike’s wellbeing is Daisy.
So I’m glad they’re gonna get called out on it and hopefully they can all grow from it.
Flu'd up in bed November 20, 2013, 11:11 AM EST.
Also, Daisy looks so pretty here
Flu'd up in bed November 20, 2013, 11:14 AM EST.
and the rage finally show’s itself
Anima November 20, 2013, 11:15 AM EST.
when people say “Mike never made any attempt to stop the abuse”
1 - he did. I cant remember the name of the chapter but it was after acapulco when Lucy found him under the tree and started yelling at him because she was “Nervous to speak to him” - He did yell at her and say it was a miracle he hadn’t gotten sick of it, and that one day he might. then they reconciled, but she STILL treated him like crap after, even after crying to Paulo and saying “He hates me because of how I’ve treated him”.
2 - the abuse is NEVER the fault of the victim. no matter how “Sympathetic” the abuser is, she still had control of her actions, knew what she was doing was wrong and carried on doing it.
nyx November 20, 2013, 11:21 AM EST.
Hold up so people are honestly getting mad at Mike who’s been punched 2x now by Paulo (one for absolutely NO real reason) for firing back while drunk? Unbelievable I mean seriously it seems like Paulo could murder someone and blame it on his sad background and everyone would be cool with it. Comeonnow he DID turn his back on Lucy in fact he did worse then Mike because he did it for NO reason none David is no excuse. He didn’t even try to explain himself he just straight up turned his back on her and ignored her off the random. And he like Mike KNEW she was depressed and KNEW something was wrong so why go there? Then once he did man up and dump jasmine rather then try to figure out whats going on he paws all over her. Really? And now that shes gone he’s so in love while sleeping with another girl? Paulo know’s he’s just as guilty thats why he’s hitting Mike, thats why he’s drinking because he knew he wasn’t there for her when she needed him.
I wonder is he going to have a break down or are they going to start fighting o_o. And wait wait are they supposed to be spending the night or………….. oh boy
Samm-y November 20, 2013, 11:33 AM EST.
Wowza! I love that first panel. It’s like someone splashed blood all over the page! You can really feel Paulo’s immense fury.
ravengal November 20, 2013, 6:45 PM EST.
This page is just INCREDIBLY well done
I can’t even imagine a better way to portray the situation. The background, the colors, the way the artwork looks so angry… You really feel the emotion.
Congrats Taeshi on this excellent page!
Sambo November 22, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.
@A. Nonymous: that’s how I interpreted the «she wanted me» also! I thought I was the only one.
Sambo November 22, 2013, 3:16 PM EST.
Paulo always overreacts upon everything mike says through the whole story. He should realy take a chill pill
Logancbell December 7, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.
Sheichii February 21, 2014, 10:37 AM EST.
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