80. Happy Hour, page posted 11/21/13

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Comment ID #267002

Gotta Love Daisy

Herumph November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267003

Oooooh ****

Idynno November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267004

Mike’s just like… ‘Uh. Okay. Awkward.’

Nomani November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267005

Aw Daisy!

Anoukk November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267006

Mike is like wut da fuq XD

Jonas97face November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267007

Squeeeee! :3

TheLazyCharmander November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267008

Forget about Mike ignoring you Daisy. That’s cool. :unsure:

*”She was never good for Mikie!…. IT SHOULD’VE BEEN MEEEEEE!!!”

Deringading November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267009

OH HECKY MAN OH HECKIE HECK HECKEROO

swiftDefenestration November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267010

No goddamnit

TheGentleman November 21, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267011

Oh wow :O …I gotta admit I didn’t see that coming from Daisy

Damage November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267012

Geeze Daisy, you aren’t even trying to be subtle about liking him at this point.

Pokelova November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267013

Oh god Daisy D:

KanayaMaryam November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267014

PLease Mike have a heart! Please tell them not to go fully against Lucy though!

LAEwolves November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267015

Her arms look like they are parts of his scarf XD

Jonas97face November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267016

I hope I’m not the only MikeXDaisy shipper…

TheLazyCharmander November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267017

I suspect Michael is more worried about Abbey’s reaction right about now…
:unsure: Furious Abbey

ThatOneGuy November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267018

Seems like no one was able to stand up to Lucy. I wander how different it would be had someone set her straight a long time ago.

W.E.Smith November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267019

Daisy’s adorable level just went over 9000.

Nomani November 21, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267020

Ten bucks says Mike’s looking at Abbey in that last panel. Another ten says he is NOT happy.

The Weirdo November 21, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267021

Lol funny things happen when you’re drunk

Moon November 21, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267022

Daisy X Mike !
Now ! XD

Dekolantzen November 21, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267023

Okay…okay….
Daisy isn’t confessing her love… Okay that’s good. Her and Abbey could still have a relationship. Although Mike looking off to the side makes me think there is some activity over there…. Like Abbey fuming.
I think Abbey may disagree with Daisy and say that Lucy did not deserve what happened to her. Although I don’t think Daisy thinks Lucy should die.
I don’t know…. Maybe everything will be okay. D:

ObsessedFan November 21, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267024

Guys guys I don’t think this is her crushing on him. Daisy is true friend, maybe a little immature, but a true friend. That means sticking up for friends even when they aren’t the best. That’s what friends are for. She also see’s there’s a limit though to how much a friend can take. So even if she isn’t always mature, she is definitely the most reasonable one here right now. Go Daisy!

Herumph November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267025

Well this is a start. I didn’t expect DAISY to call Lucy “not nice.” Kudos to you Daisy, I’m glad you’re standing up for once. Also, I think Mike’s face in the last panel is moreso shocked about someone standing up for him, and him not knowing how exactly to react to it. ^_^

I like where this is going. This can continue. 8-D

Also @Herumph : I agree with this.

AngryBunny November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267026

Ugh, nooooo. DAISYYYY!!! Even though I don’t support, I would love to see Abbey punch Mike or something at some point.

And yea, it kinda seems like Taeshi’s using some of our comments as dialogue for these pages. But still, DX AAAAAAARRRRGGGGHH!!!!!

Twiggy November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267027

Thank you Daisy

dolphinbread November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267028

I REALLY hope this all ends in a group hug, they could all use it.

TheLazyCharmander November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267029

‘Slowly claps’ Bravo Daisy, bravo. :)

Rocky November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267030

aaaawkard. :D

Busty Laroo November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267031

Oh hey, someone’s finally standing up to bullying. A bit late, but it’s the thought that counts.

Shiloh November 21, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267032

This is getting good. ooooh what’s Mike gonna say now.

$adiq November 21, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #267033

The last few panels make me think that Daisy is doing something weird, like rubbing Mike’s nipples.

#swagster November 21, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #267034

I think this is her crushing on him. Thus the pet name “Mikie” and the awkward look from Mike.

You really can hear the , “It should have been ME!!!!!”

Like I said before, part of Daisy’s beef with Lucy is that she had Mike’s attention. She’s getting jealous again because she’s drunk and irrational. I think she does still like Mike which is why she freaked out over the “He saw me buying birth control!!!” chapter.

Lickit&Stickit November 21, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #267035

HA That doesn’t looks like Mike being touched by that one friend stands up for him, he looks like he is feeling awquard over the situation as if he wanted them all to turn against him :D

Mike: uhhhh, this is not what I wanted to happen now! :unsure:

I know I know, this wont be the case but it totally looks like it! XD
Gawd this comic is confusing ;)

EvilKitty3 November 21, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267036

@Silveryogurt and
@Chuck U_U
I need to say “I LOVE YOU” and “THANK YOU” for your comments on the previous page.

Also, Daisy for christ sake Furious Abbey

Jerkface November 21, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267037

This is getting awkward really fast

7 November 21, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267038

Ok yeah, @AngryBunny, I feel the same way. For the first time in a while, I actually LIKE how things are going. Still gonna be some crap going down, but I see friends being… friends. Please continue.

Herumph November 21, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267039

Daisy shut your *** up real quick didn’t she mike. Mikes just having a moment. It’s okay every one will forgive him.

Blue fox November 21, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267040

I love how in the last panel, Mike looks like even he can’t believe he’s got a supporter, xD

Guessing November 21, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #267041

I think it’s nice that Mike was proven wrong when it comes to Daisy at least. Paulo, way to go, strengthening Mike’s idea of you as a really, really rude person… cat… that’s ABSOLUTELY what you should do. Of course, he’s drunk, so can’t completely blame him for being an ***, although he does a good job when sober too.
Welp, 24 hours to see what happens next. Let the wait begin.
@EvilKitty3, I don’t think he wanted them to turn against him, I think he expected them to. Daisy showing that she cares must’ve been, well, surprising, at least considering what he said moments ago and that he is drunk so he can’t really think clearly.

Man with a Paper Bag November 21, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #267042

I’d love to have an opinion that’s different from everybody else’s right now,but since everything’s already been said at least a dozen times I think I’ll just enjoy the show.

Popcorn anyone?

Bunshin November 21, 2013, 1:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #267043

ohhhh keneshe, got that crow ready for ya.

Also, maybe i’m over extending here, but it seems to me panels 6 & 7 maybe another shot at the audience. This time a shot at the “mike shouldn’t be such a wuss” crowd

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267044

@AngryBunny “not nice” is a hardcore insult from Daisy

don'tyouknowmealready? November 21, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267045

Where’s abbey in all of this?

Theseus November 21, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267046

Mike has absolutely no idea how to react now. I love it!

Sty November 21, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267047

Wtf is happening here

mike November 21, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #267048

@EvilKitty3
Honestly, with how he was acting in the last page, I agree that this isn’t what he “wanted” or expected to happen… Then again, maybe he did want the pity party attention, hence the “nobody even likes me,” but now that it’s happening he might be experiencing conflicting emotions given what has happened between him and Daisy before.

Deringading November 21, 2013, 1:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #267049

Daisy, you went just a bit too far in defending mike right there. Kinda regressing a little. She is is just too cute though. <3 Literally too much cute, I feel like I have to puke. It might be from staying up all night or the possible trainwreck coming… I dont know.

Lala November 21, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267050

Daisy is such a badass! She’s also kind, compassionate, loving…need I go on?

Jayden November 21, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267051

Having Daisy showing how much she would of helped Lucy be a little nicer if she could is quite an interesting topic. Mike was right that they didn’t intervene when he was being abused by Lucy. They might of been afraid of how Lucy might react to their intervention. She might brush them off or humble herself and be a nicer person. It’s too bad they didn’t get serious about it until its too late.

Keyblade Dragon November 21, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267052

Thing is, Daisy DID say something about Lucy, easy the **** back in Confrontation. It’s just that Mike’s inconsistent *** defended Lucy and told her to leave it alone. Funny how when Daisy was the one to say that what Lucy was doing wasn’t right, he’s like “no shut up she’s a good friend you don’t know her” but when Sandy says pretty much the exact same thing it’s suddenly “omg ur so right shes not a real friend she’s doing me wrong I hate Lucy”

Daisy and Sandy are so similar, I realize…

TLDR; Michael is a dumb bitch.

Naoki November 21, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267053

No crushing, true-friending. It’s not a weird name for people to give each other nicknames. Daisy has ALWAYS called Mike “Mikie”, so it’s nothing new.

Also, Abbey should be behind Mike and Daisy right now, so I don’t think a punch is incoming. I actually think Abbey is going to handle this rationally, not like a jealous loon.

Seriously, this is a good place for the comic to go. I approve.

daft_inquisitor November 21, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267054

@don’tyouknowmealready? I read your name as: Don’t you know meal ready? :L

TheLazyCharmander November 21, 2013, 1:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267055

As someone who has been in an abusive relationship, I see a lot of my ex in Lucy and Paulo.

Both of them are very immature, and act as though their actions have no consequences.

My ex would constantly heckle me, much like Paulo teases Mike. He would say “hey fatty!” or “wow you sure look ugly today hahahaha” and never apologize. He would say “oh but it’s a joke you big baby” or “my apology was implied.”

Same as Lucy, if you disagree with my ex about anything you’re labeled a “jerk” or told “ugh you’re always trying to be right you smartass.” And yeah it’s a fictional story about cats, but Lucy’s physical abuse isn’t slapstick. Being slapped in the face over nothing is NOT fun.

Now of course these guys aren’t bad people. In the end they have redeemable qualities and they’re young and will surely learn. But would you stand up for my ex because HE was young? I doubt it. Hope not anyway.

Ellie November 21, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267056

Great now I have Halo stuck in my head.

Anyways, it was probably hard for people viewing Mike and Lucy’s relationship for a long time, they will have always seen them acting like they did it would have seemed like everything was fine between them it was just how they were with each other.

Chrisd765 November 21, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267057

“She was never good for Mikie!” - Mike’s mood changing slightly after that comment. Are we having some regrets now Mike? Or does he not agree with that last comment? Can’t wait for the next page to see his reaction to what Daisy said.

Sty November 21, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267058

I too am reminded heavily of Confrontation. Daisy’s saying roughly the same as she did then, only Mike now agrees.

Come to think of it, it’s also like Confrontation in that it’s one of those rare times Mike gets drunk. xD

Wonder how Abbey feels about this…

Ket November 21, 2013, 1:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267059

paulo sure got his nerve. he can sleep with girls that he don’t even love but judges mike when he overreacts with lucy. lucy was a jerk to him, mike has the right to like who ever he wants, accept it lucy!

anyway daisy, lets not forget, you still got you a man, a very good man…er, cat.

kiki November 21, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267060

Ey, Mike, gettin´ the clue.
Well, I´m going to see this throught. It´s not the best arc, but one that moves forward the characters, and knot the ties.
Will the gang own up to this?

Whinnie November 21, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267061

WTF you got to be ****ing kidding me, how is that he can always get away just by being a little sissy, this is not right, at this point he’s going to genuinely feel that he’s right and he had always been.

How is that always mike end up being the good guy?? if they still being so condescending with him the only thing they’re going to achieve is him being a bitch and snapping out for every little thing that comes to him.

I’ve never been so mad with a fictional character. Furious Abbey

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 1:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #267062

@Chuck U_U Why are you mad at Mike? He hasn’t said a single word this page.

TheLazyCharmander November 21, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #267063

@Naoki Exactly! I made a similar comment a few pages ago. He just listens way to much to what Sandy said and is not listening to Daisy. And now suddenly his friends are all ******** for “not helping him”.

Sty November 21, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267064

Gah… I really love Daisy… but… geeze.

Did she forget way back when? Back in Confrontation when they got in a huge fight heading to the aquarium? She DID try and tell Mike that she was no good for him. But she went about it in a cruel manner and Mike rejected it. Back then Daisy didn’t know Lucy all that well and thought she didn’t give a damn about Mike. When they got in the fight Lucy fought for Mike, and for Daisy and tried to save someone who thought the worst of her. Daisy never really confronted Lucy about her behavior though. Back then Mike also told Daisy that she didn’t know Lucy at all and shot her down when she tried to tell Mike that Lucy was no good to him and treated him badly.

She again brought up how horrible Lucy was in the Arc where she was trying to manipulate Mike and make him go out with her instead. She yelled at him that Lucy was terrible and that his feelings for her were a lost cause and that she was a “bad prize”. Daisy has repeatedly tried to tell Mike how horrible she is because of her own jealousy geared towards Lucy because of Lucy’s appearance and because of her assumption that everyone loved her for her looks.

Daisy doesn’t even seem to realize that the things she envies Lucy for, are not things that Lucy even likes about herself. Lucy has major self image issues and actually HATES the attention that she gets for her looks. Daisy on the other hand sees Lucy as if she were basking in her beauty and takes advantage of using her looks to influence others. The truth is Lucy probably wishes she looked more like Daisy because she would rather NOT have all the attention that comes with her looks. She does not get any confidence from her looks, she feels she has to be very defensive whenever someone brings up her appearance because it makes her feel vulnerable. It actually helped fuel a major part of her violent outbursts. Lucy wasn’t very violent as far as we have seen UNTIL she hit the age where she began to develop and began getting attention for her looks. That was when the fists came out and she began lashing out physically at pretty much everyone.

I love Daisy, but she lets her jealousy get to her way too easily. Maybe I am a bit biased because I had a very similar experience to Lucy and began lashing out and purposely covering myself up because I hated getting that kind of attention. I just feel that Daisy allows her own jealousy to blind her from seeing the truth, because she can’t imagine that Lucy would have self image issues the same way she herself has self image issues.

I do like that she finally stood up and said something. Even if she isn’t completely right about not trying to help Mike, she did, but he stopped her and denied it. Paulo does tease Mike a lot and he does tend to take it to far so I am glad she said something about that too. It doesn’t excuse Mike’s behavior and I really hope this gives Mike a wake up call to the fact that they actually HAVE been there, but he has been, for the most part, shutting them out or shutting them down and alienating himself.

GracefulSerenity November 21, 2013, 1:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267065

I think that Lucy may have been a raging bitch, but at least she was always real with people. Just because someone isn’t nice doesn’t mean that it’s okay to be a complete tool to them. So I’m not sorry for Mike. I mean seriously? Give the girl a break for being emotionally damaged. :O Mad Lucy

AniJay November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267066

Okay… I’m now confused.

Is this chapter trying to get us to hate Lucy and like Mike more or is there something I’m missing here? :question:

I can’t really hate either Lucy or Mike. Lucy has always been one of my favorite characters and Mike was at the very beginning. But I’ve once said back in ‘Starting Over’ that I can’t take sides with either of them until they sorted things out. I dunno….

Lucy was always there for Mike despite how she acts towards him and he was always there for her. Is that not supposed to matter anymore? I admit, maybe someone should have told Lucy what was acceptable and what wasn’t, but I’m getting the feeling that this chapter is trying to say Lucy wasn’t as great as everyone thought… :(

But still, it doesn’t change my opinion of Lucy. With Mike… it’s complicated. In the beginning he was understanding but now it’s like the world was against him until now… Should I be sympathetic? Should I not be? He seemed to feel guilty a few pages ago… But then he turned around and said he too felt lonely because no one was on his side when it came to how Lucy treated him. :(

Are we supposed to forget the good times because of this? Were either of them in the right?

… I don’t think so. They’re flawed teens still growing up. And once again, I’m not taking sides with anyone. Not until things are sorted out.

Guest D November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267067

@All the people who think Mike is 100% innocent in all of this;

I detest the double standards of female on male abuse. That being said, I still don’t think Mike handled the situation way back then correctly. He absolutely had the right to want out of their toxic friendship. Even after she started trying to better herself, he still had every right to not want to continue it. And if she wouldn’t leave him alone, he has every right to get mad and shout at her to get out of his life. But he took it too far. He was not interested in helping her understand that what she did was wrong. All he wanted to do was emotionally destroy her. And he succeeded. When she was abusing him, she didn’t realise it. And when she did, she tried to change. But he knew full well what he was doing. He knew she was emotionally and mentally fragile. But he hasn’t shown very much remorse and continues to deny responsibility for how he mishandled the situation. I’d also like to point out that Mike is complaining because he feels like nobody likes him, which is exactly how he made Lucy feel. He made damn sure of that.

I’m not defending Lucy or her actions. I’m just saying that he is not entirely blameless for this entire mess.

Pokelova November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267068

uh huh if it werent for lucy, mike would be dead and despite the teasing they were still close friends and oh my god daisy youre drunk go home

Amberflower November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267069

@Chuck U_U

Taeshi says the main characters love Mike as a person. We have yet to be given any evidence why he deserves their admiration.

I remember reading the comic and wondering why I was supposed to like him. He hadn’t done anything to deserve praise.

Lickit&Stickit November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267070

chuck,

I honestly think panels 6&7 were a shot at people like you, so take it for what you will. Much like panel 5 of yesterdays was aimed at the general “mike hate” crowd. Anyhow, Guys can be sensitive, get over it. Welcome to the 21st century, it’s time you upgraded your mind from the 1950’s mentality.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267071

All mikes friends care for him. Even if he doesn’t think they do. He is a little to sensitive sometimes. Lucy was not nice on the outside but sweet on the inside. That’s what matters. What kinda person you are on the inside. They are all good hearted people. Paulo is a man ***** but still a good hearted person.

Blue fox November 21, 2013, 1:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #267072

i just wish this all ends with them workeing through there diffrences and finding something new about themselfs , maybe Im askeing for a miracle in a fantisy world

wiki November 21, 2013, 1:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #267073

preach @gracefulserenity

kiki November 21, 2013, 1:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267074

Uhhm, well this took an unexpected turn. I, uh, well…to be honest I had not expected this to happen. Good job Daisy, I guess. Hopefully this doesn’t make things weird… Oh god I have no idea where this is going, and it makes me kinda nervous.

Alex Sigma November 21, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267075

well i guess what daisy says in panel 7 is true. paulo DID treat him like junk at points but lucy was still physically abusive (or misguided in her affections. tsun tsun dere dere)

i can’t wait to see how this turns out…

Landy November 21, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267076

I agree. Really neither Mike nor Paulo nor Lucy should date. They have way too many problems.

yoooooo November 21, 2013, 1:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267077

@Bluefox

Do they? To be honest, the only ones I’ve ever really seen expressing any kind of respect or affection for him were Daisy and Tess. The rest either ignored him half the time, or treated him like their punching bag, or the go-to-guy to blame when things went wrong.

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267078

Daisy, your crush is showing.

This is getting extremely interesting. Daisy was never really friendly with Lucy, just kinda hung out with her because Mike did. She is completely crazy about Mike or “Mikie” and he has never been interested so she found someone who did like her, Abbey.

I would like to see Abbey’s reaction and maybe even take an oppositional side to Daisy.

Fates November 21, 2013, 1:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267080

See, Daisy comforting Mike like this probably isn’t a good thing.. Considering part of this whole situation IS his fault and it will be really bad for him to get back into the whole “I am the complete victim and I didn’t do anything wrong ommg I hate all of you” mentality.

Gabba November 21, 2013, 1:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #267081

How’d this happen? It was four minutes left, I refreshed about that amount of time later, and there’s 45 new comments already! You guys exploded all over your keyboards! Were you camping out or something?! D:

That aside, I think Daisy has always not been TOO overly fond of Lucy, based on her comments about her in the past, but was willing to give her a chance. And now that he’s called them out on just watching it all happen, she’s realizing that all along, she could’ve done something. If nothing else, she could’ve sat down and talked with Lucy about the roughhousing not being a good thing.

Abbey seems like a smart boy, and it’s not like she’s confessing her love. Stop worrying, comment-peoples. All she’s doing is apologizing for seeing the problem but never trying to solve it and being what she now thinks is a horrible friend - even though he never talked to her about it or anything and as far as she knew he LIKED the treatment. He even DEFENDED it, saying only he could understand her and it was a way they connected (I think this was in the beginning of Confrontation).

But, since NOW Sandy has said it’s bad to be hurt so often, he’s acting like he never went along with it, and it was all Lucy and why should he have EVER had to put up with her, she’s such a depressing, clingy, idiot that after confessing to him and being rejected DARED to try accepting the affections of the only guy that seemed to actually like her for HER at that time. Heaven forbid Lucy be happy, after all the abuse she put him through even though he approved of it at the time. Pathetic. :/

Daisy is just trying to keep him from storming off and leaving the group on a delusional misunderstanding. And let’s not forget that he’s drunk, and the last time he was drunk and went outside, he nearly got mugged. Let’s not have another Alejandro episode again, especially since Augustus seems to have ties to him so he COULD be in the area.

Also, OT, was I the only one who in Confrontation was secretly shipping AlePaulo? ;)

Zone November 21, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267082

As sweet as this is, I really hope Abbey doesn’t take it the wrong way.

Rydux November 21, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267083

I honestly feel like Abbey would be sympathetic to Mike. Given how he understands how much damage physical and emotional abuse can be, it wouldn’t be far-fetched. He won’t agree with how Mike handled it, but he definitely isn’t going to side with Lucy. Plus, his sobriety’ll probably keep him from freaking out about Daisy supporting Mike. He’s rational enough to know that her defense isn’t necessarily romantic, and experienced in this area enough to understand how Mike probably felt through all of that abuse

Magi November 21, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267084

@TheLazyCharmander
I’ve been mad at him long ago, and now i just can’t stand that he’s getting away with all te things that he have been doing just for being a drama queen.

@Lickit&Stickit
I feel the same way my friend.

Thanks @Jerkface i was just being honest , i cant understand why is every body feel so sorry for this *******.

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #267086

spoken with graceful wisdom @Pokelova. i’ll admit i did think Lucy was 100% to blame, but she did try to change when she realized she was hurting him. and mike didn’t bother to confront her about her abuse until the December arc, in which he went about it the wrong way.

kiki November 21, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267087

@Lickit&Stickit He was admired by his friends because he was a good guy, he was friendly, helped them with homework, and was a good athlete, and for a while he was a good friend to them too, sticking up for them and doing a good job of it. But when Sandy came along and he started to realize things aren’t 100% ok, he started to change and because a little less and less of a good friend to them. Looking just at the last few chapters, or really anything from December-onward, he’s become a pretty moody teenager, partly because his girlfriend lives far enough away to require an airplane to get there, partly because of the damage Lucy did to him, and partly because of the other events in the comic. He USED to be pretty admirable as a good guy, but part of his growth since the beginning has been away from that a little bit…

jhornb02 November 21, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267088

@Guest D

If you’re assuming that this page or chapter is about getting the readers to dislike either Mike or Lucy, you’re really not reading this comic right…

Sojobo November 21, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267089

I’d hope Abbey won’t take it the wrong way, buuuuut, look what tomorrow is. Cliffhanger day (aka Friday). Hinting that abbey’s going to lay into Mike and Daisy starting with tomorrow’s update isn’t too far out there.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #267090

the retcon is hitting hard in this page. maybe too hard. seriously, it’s cancelling all those pages in which lucy was nice with mike.
or maybe daisy is just so drunk to exaggerate everything by not filtering her feelings (she has been jealous of lucy for a very long time).

boh... November 21, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #267091

@ Lost_Cookie mike was getting along with Sue last chapter. Paulo shows it by ripping on him probably because that’s how he is. David is always cool with every body like amaya. They care but mike is just a easy target. There are people like that. He is a door Matt as Wacko put it one time. People use him and he let’s it happen because that’s who he is. A dam nice good person. I don’t think that’s a good thing but it happens.

Blue fox November 21, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #267092

@Zone

Yes, we were camping out. I still have some s’mores left somewhere, if you’re interested.

To be fair, the only reason he went along with it in the first place was because he actually liked her, loved her. But if you read through from the time of his admission of love to her up until she admitted it to him, he slowly grew more bitter. I think the major reason he was so angry at her when she admitted her love for him was because he was finally, finally getting past his feelings for her and focusing on his feelings for Sandy. He felt he was just beginning to heal, and then she goes and tears that emotional wound open again. And also, remember that it took at least several days, if not several weeks or months or even years, for Sandy to convince Mike that how Lucy treated him wasn’t right. The panels in the part I’m talking about show a definite time-lapse between each, though I’m not clear on the actual period. It’s not like she said it once and he just turned around and accepted it. He defended Lucy for quite a while before finally agreeing with Sandy.

@Bluefox

But see, that’s just the point. He has never liked it, but because of who he was, he put up with it, for a damned long time. But it was never right, not from the beginning. I guess I’m just going back to my opinion that everyone’s at fault here, but honestly, he has a point. From his point of view, it WOULD look like everyone was siding with Lucy, because whenever a problem cropped up between them, the group took Lucy’s side or remained neutral, regardless of the circumstances. They deserve to have a bit of a slap to the face, if for no other reason than to wake them up to how they’ve been acting. Mike’s not the only victim in this, but he IS a victim. Maybe not always, and it doesn’t mean he didn’t screw up royally when he crushed Lucy, but there it is.

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267093

@Sojobo

That’s just how it seems to me. I could be wrong, but… I don’t want to be a poor judge either. What am I supposed to think? I’ve read BCB several times and I’m trying my best to understand what’s going on in the character’s heads!
I dunno what the message of this chapter is or where it’s going. But I’m going to stick around and keep reading. Hopefully, I’ll understand it better… Right now I’m confused and don’t know what to think anymore. :(

Guest D November 21, 2013, 1:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267094

Also, it IS a big deal Paulo, I don’t think you would like being treated harshly ALL THE TIME ( caps is for emphasis, I’m not yelling. Still think you’re a good guy Paulo) please just be sensitive to Mike, he’s had it pretty hard and don’t you think he feels terribly guilty about it? Mike’s probably the one who suffered the most(besides Lucy). We all miss her. Please don’t fight, she wouldn’t want that :(

Alex Sigma November 21, 2013, 1:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267095

You know this really urks me. Daisy is really shallow here. She needs to back off, because Mike is still taken regardless if Lucy is there or not. We are kinda forgetting Sandy here. And she is a very big part of this. She was even contacted by Lucy, who had hoped to fix things with her friendship with Mike one last time. Instead he blew up on her and just was too unwilling to become mear friends with her again. This just makes me dislike Daisy more than I already do. She just reminds me of so many shallow girls I used to know who did not know the whole story and is ignoring the fact that this guy she is infatuated with has just subjected a girl to believe she is alone. Mike had already stated how he had all these people backing him up when he blew up on Lucy and now he’s playing the victim. Lucy isn’t right for hurting Mike but she did try to fix things and change her ways. This makes Lucy a stronger person for admitting she was wrong for doing what she did, and wanted to make sure Mike knew that, and was apologized to. If Mike wasn’t ready for it he could have just asked her to back off of him for a while so he could think it over, not yell at her and say he hated her. Why the F would you do something you don’t like?! He had every opportunity to just tell his friends to back off or explain his issues with them, so they would understand and back off of him when he’s not waiting on Lucy hand and toe. I mean what kind of friends does he think he has!? I would have been offended that he thought so little of me, that he just figured I wouldn’t understand. I believe that making friends pick sides against mutual friends is wrong. I myself let my friends be friends with whom ever they want to be with as long as it is not detrimental to their health. Mike could just have a guys night or a double date with Daisy and Abby. These things do not have Lucy involved and she can still be friends with her friends! Problem solved! *huff* RL problems am I right?
Taeshi props to you for invoking such an emotional response from me. Would like to know how Lucy is doing though.

Q~Q November 21, 2013, 1:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267096

@jhornb02
Things are never 100% ok on anyones life that don give you the right of being an ******* to every body who try to love you or try to make you accept your wrongs tath just….wrong.

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #267097

Finally, someone says Paulo’s teasing gets too far. Speaking as someone who’s gotten teased now and then when I was younger, I couldn’t tell apart between ‘friendly’ teasing, and bullying teasing because I’m not one who recognizes these kinds of social cues. Maybe some people at that time don’t know those kinds of boundaries as well, but this supports how Paulo doesn’t think about how far his teasing goes. Not taking anyone’s side, I’m just putting some informed opinion supporting Daisy’s statement.

Dudeler November 21, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #267098

@Guest_D Basically all you can do is take the events for what they are, reflections of the character’s thoughts put into behaviors. Daisy is sweet as can be, so she’s comforting Mike, but a little passive which is why she never stood up to Lucy. Paulo is a little immature and insensitive so he thinks all he’s done before is “pick on” Mike and that it’s not a big deal. Taeshi wouldn’t try to manipulate our opinions on the characters and I think so far everything has been very well-written for their behaviors.

jhornb02 November 21, 2013, 1:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #267099

“You go too far too”
THANK YOU DAISY

ResidentEddy November 21, 2013, 1:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #267100

No godamnit Daisy.. Daisy sober up.. Godamnit

Carson November 21, 2013, 1:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #267101

@jhornbo2

*sighs* Right… I’ll keep that in mind. :) It was stupid of me to think that way. Maybe I’ll read this from the beginning again. It helps to refresh your memory on these events. ^^

Guest D November 21, 2013, 1:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #267102

@Chuck U_U I was being a little facetious with the 100% idea, just showing he realized things weren’t as good as he thought, especially with Lucy.

jhornb02 November 21, 2013, 1:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #267103

Chuck,

Let me say this in a way you might understand,

Well December was a fine how do you do, but you better be figuring that Mike wasn’t being a candyass or panty waist. He really thought Lucy was still the same ole’ hot headed shuckster she was before. So he really wasn’t being an *******, just laying the truth on her. Paulo really ain’t much better he’s a major drag on mike as well man.You get it daddy-o.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 1:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #267104

What is that look on Mike in the last panel?

I honestly can’t tell. Confusion? Discomfort? Disbelief?

Maybe a mix of all of the above. He mostly looks uncomfortable right now. x3 Is it because he feels that Daisy is still crushing on him a little bit? Or maybe the fact that she’s proving him wrong and apologizing. He might be feeling bad he exploded on everyone, but in particular Daisy in this instance since she is out-right apologizing. :3

I dunno! I can’t wait for tomorrow’s sure-to-be cliff-hanger. o3o

Yaschiri November 21, 2013, 1:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #267105

Aha ****’s going down. People are going to flip ahaha.

NRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR November 21, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #267106

Daisy’s outburst generally is concerning. Of all the people she was one of the few to actually say to Mike that Lucy was bad for him at some point. But came to accept Lucy wasn’t all that bad after the events of “Confrontation”. I guess she’s forgotten about this or something.

Daisy is effectively throwing her memory of Lucy to the fire simply for the sake of looking like she is actually on Mike’s side after all. Sad because Lucy and Daisy were starting to get along a lot better.

I mean, since the Alcoplco, when has Lucy actually had a chance to even be mean to Mike? She mostly kept away after being rejected, the last thing I can remember is the huge argument before she ran crying to Paulo. Nobody knows Lucy was mean to Mike, because she had not even really spoken to him in that time.

jennytablina November 21, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #267107

Everything @GracefulSerenity said. Just perfect.

70lemons November 21, 2013, 1:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #267108

FORGET YOU DAISY!!

Jaime November 21, 2013, 1:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #267109

“daisy is just being a true friend!!!”
That’s a load of **** BC shes always loved mike and thought she deserved him BC she was nicer than Lucy and with him unlike sandy and mike has constantly expressed his discomfort with her showing an over a lot of affection so im p sure this is out of her love for him (as in love)

hrnkddh November 21, 2013, 1:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #267110

Wow Daisy, what did Lucy ever do to you? Oh wait you were jealous of her, I forgot. How about the fact that she backed way off and tried to be just a friend to Mike and he laid into her like she was some evil ***** from hell? Instead of being civil with her, he basicallu told her to go die. Poor, poor Mike. How about the time you forced yourself on Mike when he didn’t want it? Are you good for him? Using Abbey as the rebound boy? Trying to force him to have sex with you for your own selfish reasons ad insecuities? Bad mouthing Lucy about how awful she was out of petty jealousy right before she saved everyone at her own expense? Yeah, she she is awful and you and Mike sure are saints.

Daisy and Mike truly belong together. Selfish ******** who only care for themselves and love to play the victim.

I get Lucy was mean sometimes, but god these two need to get over themselves and stop playing the blame game out of their own faults and insecurities.

Dizzy Dial November 21, 2013, 1:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #267111

YOU GO DAISY YEAH

Mariasona November 21, 2013, 1:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #267112

@buchanen_neket
You’re pathetic Buchanen. No seriously, you ever thought about suicide? Since it would be better for everyone. I’m not gonna point out that you’re creating a shitstorm over imaginary cat-people. it’s far to pathetic. I bet your friend and family (if you have any of those) are already sick and tired of your ********, and would really appreciate that.

Soooo… how do you feel after I layed some truth on you? It was only to show you how this works when you’re at the opposite end of a stick, so no offense, and be sure not to barf in my trash bin. Anyway: people are with her for her looks? True? Not. No one is friendly with her, everyone would leave her if Mike would decide to leave the group. Nope. Mike’s face was full of fist just while ago.
So Strider, are you blind, or are you ignoring facts, when they do not play along with your oppinion?

@Yashiri
“What is that look on Mike in the last panel?

I honestly can’t tell. Confusion? Discomfort? Disbelief?”

Erection.

@jennytablina
Lucy is considered not cool anymore after that retcon thingie. And Daisy… Well I already exchanged few words with Boh… before, and I still think she didn’t get Mike out of her system. But yeah, I think she should end up with Mike. Having her Mikie all for herself. Whole package with mood swings included. You know, this reminds me of certain someone… Yeah, Abbeys mother. Who knows? Maybe Abraham was also such a nice kid back then?

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 1:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #267113

:unsure:: This was not my plan! (Looking to Abby)
Furious Abbey: get away from her or I Smash wussy cat!

@Commander_Zero
You are going a little overboard with your insults toward buchanen_neket. Start thinking about what effects your words can have.

Tigerclaw32 November 21, 2013, 1:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #267114

@Everyone
omg… All you guys saying “Daisy is wrong, Lucy was soooo nice to Mike”. Think about this for a second… Lucy was really mean to Mike and hated him all the time and talked trash about him. Sure, there was a love drama in the story with Mike and Lucy and Mike overreacted a little… But come on… Both MIKE AND LUCY are at fault. Mike shouldn’t have told Lucy that her friends didn’t like her but Lucy has also been a little bit of a *ahem… B**** to him. Both are stupid…
I love this comic :/ *seriously*

Lyrix November 21, 2013, 1:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #267115

Woah, niña. En verdad que sabes provocar las emociones de tu fandom ;)

Adept-eX November 21, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267116

So after about a decade (to a few years), someone finally acknowledges that they should have done what that random guy from the vacation did, and tell Lucy to calm it down.

Beblop November 21, 2013, 2:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267117

@Tigerclaw32
READ WHOLE DAMN THING! I’m a very calm person, but why do you comment without reading whole thing? WHYYYYY?!

@buchanen_neket
Internet is serious business, alright? Also: jokes? Dude, I was such a joker I ended up banned twice! I’m a ‘Nam Veteran when it commes to goddamn comedy, alright?

And seriously, as I said first few sentences were meant to ilustrate what Mike pretty much did. When someone starts to use personal insults it’s the end of discussion.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 2:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267118

Commander_Zero,

1) learn to take a joke man. You didn’t notice that most of that rant was done in 1950’s slang? Did you not see my other comment to him? I’m poking fun at Chuck’s mind being stuck in the 50’s (god I hate having to explain a joke).

2) big shock, *whispers* I don’t care what others think of me personally.

3) Contemplated Suicide? Yeah been there, done that. For much worse reasons then having someone I respected yell at me.

4)Mike never told her to kill herself, he only told her stuff that, well, is kind of true from a certain perspective.

5) with the exception of the parasite and a couple other things he said, I mean. That was just out of anger.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 2:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267119

@Commander_Zero
I did read the whole comment and it does come out as aggressive, not as any sort of humor

Tigerclaw32 November 21, 2013, 2:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #267120

I really hope that Mike’s expression on the last page is him noticing how Daisy used to tell him how bad of a friend Lucy was, but he always rejected her because she “doesn’t understand how Lucy”.

Sty November 21, 2013, 2:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #267121

@Dizzy Dial haters gonna hate.

JayLime November 21, 2013, 2:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267122

@buchanen_neket
December wasn’t the only chapter where mike were a *********, he has being an ******* since sandy’s first letter, wtf are you talking about???

And yeah, paulo has been a wreck all the time but at least he know where his head is at the important events, and he has always being there when every one has needed him, still every one seems to despise him, i guess thats nice……..

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267123

In the grim darkness of the future of bittersweetcandybowl, there is only Mike and Lucy drama. Honestly, I am tired of all of it and I don’t want to be seen as trolling or anything-It’s just that it seems to be an eternal war of falling in and out of love/hatred that never ends. I am new to the comic and like all the characters but I think most people want to see things like more david and paulo bromance and group shenanigans as well as Augustus grimdark. I think more Mike/Lucy/Sandy stuff will mean people will just get tired of the comic, as it stands this angsty tween drama needs to be healed by an apothecary of great skill and faith in the EMPRAH.
Edited due to excessive spelling fail.

Rowboat Girlyman November 21, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267124

@ Lost_Cookie yea they did all screw up but Lucy was just so intoxicating to them all. She is like a siren as she sings her song of seduction and pain and suffering for all to hear. I can’t resist.

Blue fox November 21, 2013, 2:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267125

That look on Mike’s face is perfect! “Wait, someone’s AGREEING with me…? How??”

Jessica U. Ingmann November 21, 2013, 2:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267126

I think this is one of the more level comments lists I’ve seen in this arc: ironically, there seems to be a correlation between how much misbehavior there is in the comic to how heated the comments are.

….maybe not THAT ironic, but still….

I’m liking this, and I’m loving all the theories about where this goes and what it means. Just from my perspective, I feel like Mike wants to feel justified for what he said to Lucy, but knows that he went to far and also feels he deserves to be punished. It’s like he was deliberately burning bridges at a certain point: that’s less ‘pity party’ to me and more subconsciously seeking punishment. Here, he’s getting grace, and that’s just…out there.

I don’t think this is a Daisy crush thing: I think it’s her trying to stick out for a friend. She’s always been too good for this cruel world, and that’s such a strong part of the character. As for Abbey, I like to think he’s having a paradoxical breakdown at the moment. He HATES bullies. And Lucy was a bully. But Mike bullied Lucy and drove her away. But only because Lucy was a bully. But then Mike bullied her….and it goes around and around and around until we find him in a corner with his stress ball.

GobHobblin November 21, 2013, 2:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267127

Seriously, I know Daisy is drunk and it seems alcohol is some kind of truth serum here, but… Well It’s hardly going into right direction. Abbey might keep his cool face and be all like: “Daisy, ur no backpack, Daisy, stahp” or he might lose his coolface, and start bashing people heads with nearby chair, in a fit of rage. But seriously, I know Daisy has a lot of fans that will defend her till their last breath, but does she think about how Abbey will react to this? I don’t say it’s unacceptable for girl to comfort other boys, though in this particular case she had wet dream about him not so long ago… sooo…

@Tigerclaw32
“and be sure not to barf in my trash bin.”

Learn 2 humour.

@Adept-eX
ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!

@Rowboat Girlyman
Well here’s some Daisy and Abbey drama coming up. Nice and fresh. Be sure to stay close to the stage, so you might experience taste of their tears while at it.

@~Bat with a Cat
At least I read whole comments before replying.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #267128

@Ellie I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m sorry you went through all that.

Canny November 21, 2013, 2:15 PM EST.

Comment ID #267129

@Commander_Zero Okay that’s way to far, why would you tell somebody to suicide because of fictional characters and you seem like more of an arse than all these characters flaws right now. Maybe you should stick on yer’ good things instead of telling people to die, because they have an option you don’t like.

~Bat with a Cat November 21, 2013, 2:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267130

Yeah everybody, open up you can of worms and get your chopsticks, because it looks like we’re slurping these things whole.
It’s funny how quiet and uncomfortable Mike got, when just a moment ago he was in a ******’ rage about nobody liking him. So, you’re screaming that you have no friends, but when Daisy hugs you and is pretty much full out defending you, it makes you feel uncomfortable.
He probably feels dumb for raging like an idiot and having someone rush to his defense.
They all need to get over and put behind their old wounds or flames, as it were. Daisy needs to stick with Abbey, they do well together, and let Mike fight through his own crap, rather than babying him. Paulo just needs to lay off in general and decide on one girl, ONE, Rach, Lucy, hell even Jess if he wants. Mike needs to stop being a pretender that just looks for a moment to explode when it’s in his favor, then he needs to put a ring on Sandy because he loves her (right?), and he needs to get the hell over Lucy, as in get the hell over her. Lucy is obviously trying her hardest to get over Mike and as we can all see, it’s tearing her the hell up, but she knows it’s necessary. Hopefully she can find some love or stick it out on her own.
All I see happening in this page and previous ones are people who have gotten over stuff bringing out old boxes full of broken things and taking another look at them, some even trying to make them new, which is going to be a really bad mistake.

Blank On Purpose November 21, 2013, 2:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267131

Flipping sides to gain some points huh Daisy ?

Eko November 21, 2013, 2:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #267132

Is it just me or is Daisy showing her “I Like Mike side”

might just be me

Lena November 21, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267133

@Blank On Purpose
Words of wisdom. Though you should add something about Sue minding her own business, Amaya learning words, and David… no, seriously I can’t think of a single thing he can do to improve himself.

@Lena
“Like”? I do believe she almost raped him during carnival. And almost was raped back by emo-rape-cat. Man, this was fun. Shame abey had abusive father, since he almost ended up raping emo-rape-cat.

@Dizzy Dial
Or was I? But seriously, I think next time I’ll just say I’m being sarcastic at the beginning. There are to many crusaders around.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267134

Is that the Daisy x Mike shippers I hear? Impossible! And yet…

@~Bat_with_a_cat
To suggest your enemies demise is to save a thousand lives (if they accept of course)

Misanthrope November 21, 2013, 2:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267135

So am I the only one who say the sarcasm in Commander Zero’s post? He was pretending to be Mike telling Lucy to kill herself. I doubt he was seriously telling another user to go die. He was drawing parallels saying it’s not some little thing to tell someone to go die.

It wasn’t the best way to get that point across and it was worded more aggressive than intentional, but common he’s not serious.

Dizzy Dial November 21, 2013, 2:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267136

Guuuuys, ease up on Zero, he was trying to make a point. He kind of ham handed it but I get what he was trying to say. I don’t agree that he’s right because I also think that Mike’s shoutfest, while it helped her decision, wasn’t the only factor. But he wasn’t being literal guys.

@Chuck,

Reeeeally, after the first letter, a point where mike suffered the worst hell because A) he didn’t know if sandy reciprocated his feelings towards her and B) when he had to deny what, in his gut, he knew was a truth because he was trying to spare Lucy’s feelings, because he still felt responsible for her (oh and a smaller C, when he was getting his *** kicked repeatedly because of Paulo and the damn cheater squad). You really are one of those ***** that thinks mike should’ve broke up with Sandy to get with Lucy aren’t ya? We’ve joked about people being like that around here but if you can deny his actions and play them up as him being an ***, there’s no other answer. You’re one of those *****.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 2:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267137

Mikes friends must be perfect like Sandy or else they are not friends :D

EvilKitty3 November 21, 2013, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267138

DAISY NO.
DAISY NO.
DO NOT DEFEND.
NO.

CyanScorpion November 21, 2013, 2:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267139

@EvilKitty3
Sandy won’t be perfect soon enough. She already took first steps by “boping” him when he was acting like primadonna again.

@CyanScorpion
QUICK! Spray her with water! Or use the noisy can! BAD KITTY!

@buchanen_neket
Calm down or you’ll broke bad words filter. And Mike will broke up with Sandy eventually. She did not argue with him few arcs ago, which means she’s a jerk (according to his recent outburst). So yeah, she’s not good enough for him. I think he should hang out with Statue of Liberty.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 2:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #267140

@Commander_Zero
One line of what can barely be called humor doesn’t help an opening paragraph such as that, and it doesn’t matter if it was meant as a joke. If the person it is meant for only reads your comment they may only read the first part not wanting to hear more like that. In other words, “Please proceed to watch your tongue lest you influence someone poorly.”

Tigerclaw32 November 21, 2013, 2:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #267141

Looks like Paulo’s not happy that yet another one his crushes picked Mike over him.

Abbey has already confronted Mike once about his interactions with Lucy, I don’t think he’s just going to side with Mike on this issue. Especially not with his girlfriend wrapping her arms around him.

Next panel he will probably be like, “If she isn’t good enough for Michael, then who is, Daisy?”

13lackout November 21, 2013, 2:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #267142

If I were in Mike position, I’d kindly ask her to let go so I could leave. Plus Abbey is probably about to go nuts as well.

Anon-Anon November 21, 2013, 2:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #267143

@buchanen_neket
I’m actually not, i will be very happy if mike just go whenever sandy is to be happy with her, in fact i would love to see paulo with lucy, its just that i cant understand how being unable to be with your long distance girl friend could give any one the right to be angry and an ******* to everyone that surrounds him.

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 2:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267144

@Tigerclaw32
You know what? You’re right. I see how mean I was and I’ve just decided to change myself. From now on I’m a nice guy! Would you be so kind and bend over? My first good deed shall be removal of that stick that is apparently stuck in your ***.

@13lackout
Do you suggest Abbey turning into Abraham? Since it would certainly be interesting. Maybe not pleasant, but interesting for sure.

@Anon-Anon
No. This wouldn’t be nice. I think he’ll just call her a parasite. Since she’s even acting like one.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 2:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267145

@Chuck U_U it doesn’t give the right, but it explains it

jhornb02 November 21, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267146

I’m a sailor Zero, cuss words flow from my mouth like water down a stream (yeah bad equivalent, it’s the best I could think of). Anywho, yeah reread the past few pages, he’s ****** at them because they didn’t support him when he was obviously in trouble and hurting. Guess who did do that, SANDY. So yeah his outburst also says he’s even more head over heels for her now because she was really the only one (in his eyes) who was there for him when he was suffering.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 2:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #267147

@jhornb02
Yeah it explains it but it is a decision that he made non of his friends pushed him to do it, he should be happier. :nope:

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 2:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #267148

Reality check: Success!

Arthorius November 21, 2013, 2:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #267149

Yes, spread the happiness Daisy! ;)

Hawz November 21, 2013, 2:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #267150

I don’t think Mike was trying to emotionally destroy Lucy back in December. Initially, he was actually trying to protect her feelings by telling her to leave, multiple times, rather than tell her that Sandy was coming to visit. And he hid his resentment towards her for a long time, trying to get her to leave him alone in “nice” ways. But Lucy wasn’t budging. The entire December tirade started because Lucy insisted on shoving her nose into Mike’s business and knowing the contents of Sandy’s text.

And Mike had so much resentment and guilt towards Lucy bottled up. He resented her for abusing him, and he resented her for being dependent on him, so if he walked away from her abuse, he’d be “the bad guy.” He felt guilty for finding her attractive when he was in a committed relationship, and he felt guilty for wanting to be “the bad guy,” for wanting to abandon her when he knew how deeply she depended on him.

So when Lucy STILL tried to get him to stay with her, be it through their history, their mutual friends, or her dependence on him, every rebuttal was an explosion. He was cruel because he needed - not wanted, but NEEDED - her to realize that they were over, done, finished, disconnected in every way. And he needed to justify to himself that what he was doing was right, that he shouldn’t feel guilty because Lucy wasn’t worth it.

By the way, just because somebody cares about you doesn’t mean that they aren’t abusive. Abusers can and often do care about their targets a great deal - it’s one of the reasons why they’re hard to leave. But the occasional grand gesture isn’t enough to make up for daily misery, and I personally believe that Mike was justified in cutting Lucy off.

That being said, he still did it in an absolutely terrible way. Voluntary manslaughter may not be murder, but it’s still awful.

Daisy is adorable and my favorite BCB character. But she’s going too far in supporting Mike unless she lets him know that he was “not nice” too.

KT November 21, 2013, 2:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #267151

@Lost_Cookie
Thank you! You are the light in this crazy comment section!

Also, what’s with (almost) everyone, in the comments, talking negatively about Daisy? She isn’t confessing her love to Mike, besides she has a point. Paulo does go too far with his teasing. Daisy is just being a good friend and she realized that she could’ve done something about Lucy’s behavior. Heck, anyone could’ve done something about Lucy’s behavior! Now Daisy did go a little too far with comforting Mike, but he does deserve some comfort.

Really, in the end, both Mike and Lucy are at fault in their own ways. Mike didn’t react in the right way, but, in my opinion, I think he was just so angry. Also, has everyone forgotten that (almost) all of them are drunk (except for Abbey)? And that what they are saying isn’t put in the right way, they’re just saying what they are feeling. They aren’t thinking about it, they are just acting on their feelings and say the first thing that comes to mind.

Ireland November 21, 2013, 2:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #267152

Uhhhh, KT, was with ya till this “Abusers can and often do care about their targets a great deal - it’s one of the reasons why they’re hard to leave”. and the biggest thing i’d change in that statement is “they often APPEAR to care about their targets a great deal”. It’s manipulation, you see abuse is all about control. It’s about keeping the target in check. Most times Abusers will ease off the reins a bit and pretend to care about the target. It’s to lull them into a false sense of security and manipulate the victim into thinking things like “he only does it because he loves me and has to punish me when I mess up” or “that’s not really how he is, he really nice and sweet, he only gets like that because I made him mad.” or the piece de resistance “he’s sick, he needs help, he doesn’t want to do those things but he can’t help it”. Manipulation is the most powerful weapon in an abusers arsenal because it keeps the victim under their thumb and insures they won’t go to the police.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 2:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267153

Okay this is absolutely infuriating. Daisy should not be “standing up” for Mike. If he told them the WHOLE situation, which is what was implied, then he would have told them how Lucy WAS being nice. She was putting up with his ******** anger at her at the library and trying to repair their friendship through that game. Mike ATTACKED Lucy, he systematically targeted her weak points, every single one that years of friendship had helped him identify in her, and destroyed her. Mike never used to think much of Lucy’s violence, it was Sandy who put the idea in his head that she wasn’t “Really his friend.” And while it’s true that Lucy oftentimes took it too far, Mike’s attack on her was COMPLETELY uncalled for. Lucy could have told the others all of this, but she didn’t. She had to bottle it up inside and it ended up being too much for her to take.

Mike should be ASHAMED of himself. He’s having this huge god damn PITY PARTY, wailing about how ALONE he felt and how everyone alway took Lucy’s side. And wah wah wah. WHATEVER. LUCY WAS DELICATE. EVERYONE KNEW IT. Mike had support to fall back on, but Lucy was terrified of relying on others and he knew it! BECAUSE IT WAS HIS FAULT. Lucy never systematically attacked him in the way that Michael did to her. Her violence and teasing was surface level and she would have sacrificed and arm and a leg for him if he asked. He could have just talked to her about her violence. But he didn’t. He exploded at her and she took all the damage.

And when he realized he’d been really ****** and went to her to ask for forgiveness. SHE GAVE IT FREELY, even though SHE KNEW THAT THE THINGS HE SAID WERE KILLING HER INSIDE. She said they could start over to make him feel better. She only ever tried to make him feel better even if she went about it the wrong way. No one supported him? BULL. Even if he thinks that Sandy is the only one who cares about him, Lucy did too!

It’s pretty much canonically implied that Lucy attempted suicide and yet here Mike is whining about how he has feelings too and everybody is hurting him just as much as he hurted Lucy. What an ***!

Skykittykat November 21, 2013, 3:07 PM EST.

Comment ID #267154

The thing that running through my head now is how Mike called a certain order of how all the freinds would go to him…. Daisy was the first one on the list cause he knew she liked him… now next on the list I believe was Abby…

TheCreatrix November 21, 2013, 3:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267155

archiving unlocked: “Truth Story, Taeshi” 8-)

Mr-Hero-Bio November 21, 2013, 3:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267156

Skykittykat,

I got to point something out on yours too. Sorry man “If he told them the WHOLE situation, which is what was implied, then he would have told them how Lucy WAS being nice.” You’re forgetting the 4th wall. WE knew Lucy was just trying to be nice because we have the advantage of the 4th wall. Mike doesn’t, there wasn’t a clue in there to show he was clued in to if that Lucy was being nice or just trying to worm her way back in with him. It seems from his reaction in december he was thinking the latter, thus was unaware of the change in Lucy. So how he told the story would reflect that.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 3:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267157

You tell em @Skykittykat 8-)

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 3:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267158

@buchanen_neket

You shut the hell up and then shove your head in a bucket of fireants.

As for Daisy, I’m sorry but can you be even more of a bigger tool? Seriously, all you need is a frickin’ leash, you damn shallow bimbo. Why in the seven goddamn circles of hell are you pitying this *******?! I’m sorry, are you out of your damn mind?!

@Skykittykat

You are frickin’ awesome, and I love you.

Kanashe November 21, 2013, 3:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267159

U mad Kanashe?

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 3:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267160

I agree with @KT
…Some of it, at least. Mike shouldn’t have been so awful to Lucy, but Lucy wasn’t totally innocent. I can relate. I have certain issues with holding back on violence, and I do lash out, much like Lucy, but I don’t mean to :unsure: Daisy also needs to let Mike know that he isn’t completely out of the scope yet; as I mentioned before, what he said was really out of line. I think they all need to calm the heck down and maybe have a lot of coffee. It is an underage event and they really shouldn’t be drinking but it happened and there’s really no going back here :/ I do hope to see what’s next though, I can’t wait for tomorrow <3 :D

Pichu November 21, 2013, 3:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267161

@Kanashe
Yeesh, tone it down a bit bud.
As for the page, god knows what’s gonna happen next.

Turanis November 21, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #267162

@Buchanen_neket,
While I can understand how this may be up for interpretation, I don’t really understand why Mike would feel that his reaction for EITHER would be appropriate. Even if she was trying to “worm her way back in with him.” Why is that a bad thing? Why should he take it as such? They had been “friends” for YEARS. She was trying to repair said friendship that had been pretty badly decimated when she confessed to him. They stood up for each other when they fought those punks in the alley, and if that’s not true friendship then I don’t know what is.

Lucy did nothing wrong to instigate that attack, from either his standpoint or hers! He just blew up at her! The second he got that text from Sandy he decided to attack her and it was completely uncalled for!

Skykittykat November 21, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #267163

@Skykittykat

If you’ll look, you’ll find that he DOES feel like garbage, the way that he crushed her, intentional or not. Every time people wonder aloud around him about what caused this, he’s always gotten this uncomfortable look, and I like to imagine there are a few dozen razor-sharp shards of glass rustling around, pricking and slicing at his conscience. And yes, she did ‘give it freely,’ forgiving him when he finally got back to her at the play. The feeling I got from it, though, was that she gave it solely because she believed she wouldn’t be around to take him up on it, be it because she attempted suicide or because, as some say, she just disappeared. Either way, I look at that little smile she gave as she ‘forgave’ him, and I see it as a cold, final jab. Another few inches on the rope Mike crafted earlier.

I find myself coming back to this one point over and over, though: They’re all to blame. Overall, none of the characters are really bad people. Not one of them is a straight-up, all-out ***, and for the most part, most of the pain being inflicted is unintentional at the time. Lucy’s abuse of Mike wasn’t done with the intention of causing him pain, it was her way of showing her affection. And when he crushed her, Mike didn’t begin that conversation with that intention. As @KT said, he had a lot of mixed, negative emotions bottled up inside, the bottle was constantly being filled with more, and Lucy ended up applying the last bit that caused that bottle to blow. Then there’s the ‘teasing’ Paulo is constantly doing, adding more frustration. The others apparent apathy added a sense of isolation, which caused him to believe that the group disdained him, hated him, etc. Sandy, perhaps, is the one that can take the least blame. All she did was care about him and his well-being, and express her opinion that people shouldn’t harm the ones they care about.

Sorry, I don’t mean to keep posting long comments. x-x

Edit: As a side note, I’m immensely amused by the way Taeshi uses those little bubbles to symbolize their intoxication, though I’m not sure why it amuses me.

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 3:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #267164

Why nobody understand, mike never…..LIKE NEVER told lucy to stop abusing him, thats the kind of thing a friend does when another friend is crossing the line, it didnt even bothered him till sandy ¬¬

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 3:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #267165

Remember Skykittykat, this was post sandy intervention Mike, he had a different perspective on Lucy. Now I theorized in the past about his perspective, so I won’t continue that one. But the plain and simple is, he didn’t want to be her friend anymore. He didn’t want to be with someone who he felt was abusing him. When he got his intervention that’s how he saw Lucy and when he got the text and even TOLD Lucy to go home before he went off on her it’s because he was trying to stick to his guns. He wanted her out of his life and realized that she was trying to get “back in good” with him (yeah worm her way back in might have been extreme). Kind of like the text snapped him back to reality or at least his version of reality.

As for Lucy, she did kind of do something to instigate the attack. She could have honored mike’s wishes and left. Instead she tried to, as someone else put it, “put her nose in his business”.

Also I might also point out and this is in general to the comments not specifically at you skykittykat. A person can feel justified and guilty at the same time. In this case Mike feels justified in pushing away an abusive “friend”, but at the same time guilty because he knows he went too far in pushing her out the door.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 3:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267166

Hi all, I took it upon myself to find some heresy. Here it is.Take a trawl through bad comics to take a lol at some awful stuff.
If you go onto bittersweetcandybowl the guy makes a compelling case, but I like the comic too much personally.
Should be blammed.

Rowboat Girlyman November 21, 2013, 3:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267167

Jingle bells Daisy smells Mike y laid a egg, Paulo and lucy had there way -beep- AND THEN ABBY PUNCHED YOUR MOM ;)

Dell152 November 21, 2013, 3:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #267168

@Chuck

He likely viewed it as her being her for most of their lives, and later, after Sandy convinced him what was happening was wrong, he viewed it as her trying to hurt him a little bit more. This is all supposition, but he may have thought she was doing it with the intent to hurt him, and didn’t want ‘to give her the satisfaction of a response.’ Or maybe he was just being an idiot and it never occurred to him to ask her to stop. I dunno.

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 3:36 PM EST.

Comment ID #267169

Remember folks, Daisy sorta hated Lucy in the first chapters. She changed her mind about it when Lucy saved Mike that one time, but she still felt rather jealous of their friendship.

I want to disagree with her, but she’s completely right. They were never good for eachother to begin with..

Yelikarts November 21, 2013, 3:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #267170

Wait I just remembered something. Isn’t there half a dozen other random people at the party? Or are they in another room? Cus that would be really really awkward.

Venorik November 21, 2013, 3:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #267171

And what does Abby have to say about all this?

awsomesoucsome November 21, 2013, 3:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #267172

I used to think only Lucy was having real problems with her Life. Now i think Mike has just as much problems, he wants to live in his own dream world where everyone must be perfect. He can’t realize what is really happening around him anymore. He should really think about what his real feelings towards all his friends (including Lucy) are and accept them.
Poor Mike.

Sty November 21, 2013, 3:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #267173

I think this may be the first time I like Daisy. I had nothing against her persay as I do with Paulo, but this moment of stepping up and speaking out is quite nice.

For what it is worth I don’t think this is her crush on Mikie talking. I think she genuienly means it. Ok perhaps exagerated by the alcholo, but I think she’d be saying the same things sober more or less.

Now I wait with baited breath to see if Abby trusts his girlfriend enough not to get jeaouls.

?!? November 21, 2013, 3:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #267174

@Venorik they are still on the same couch so i guess they are still in the same room with Rachel’s friends/ classmates. This is probably really awkward to look at.

Sty November 21, 2013, 3:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #267175

Daisy, the member of the comic that has more sense than most of the people who comment.

Donny November 21, 2013, 3:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #267176

Waiting for the standard Thanatos comment. Those really are the highlight of my day.

Hicks November 21, 2013, 3:51 PM EST.

Comment ID #267177

@Lost_Cookie
Either way he was wrong, he made a huge lot of mistakes and he just don’t want to accept his guilt. And the worst part is that everyone (except paulo) seems to be fine with it.

Chuck U_U November 21, 2013, 3:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #267178

@Buchanen_neket
While I can see your point about him no longer wanting to be friends, it just wasn’t fair to Lucy that he would just decide that they were no longer friends based on the words of someone who is partially the cause of Lucy’s isolation and dependence upon him. Sandy didn’t mean any harm of course but a) she doesn’t even remember Lucy at all, and b) she is making a judgement based off of phone conversations and passing verdict on a girl with a LOT of emotional troubles that she doesn’t fully understand. Her words have the most influence on Mike and it was this that caused him to even consider the idea that Lucy wasn’t his friend, despite her aggression being pretty clearly her way of displaying affection.

And even then his complete mental isolation of Lucy was completely inexcusable. He basically told her that she had NO ONE to rely on. No one to talk to. And just like Sandy’s words carry the most weight with Mike, his words weigh the heaviest to Lucy. So even when Sue and Tess assure her that they are there for her, she finds herself unable to believe them.

And at that point Lucy still considered herself his friend, and her “sticking her nose in his business” was a fairly understandable reaction to Mike’s complete 180 from laughing and playing with her like old times to coldly telling her to leave.

And I’m not saying that he doesn’t feel guilty or like garbage, as @lost_cookie, pointed out. Of course he does. He should. It’s just that if he realizes that a large part of this (not all of it mind, but a larger part than most) is his fault then he should not be crying “no fair, its not all my fault” when he so cruelly attacked her.

Skykittykat November 21, 2013, 3:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #267179

Twiggy… what the **** is wrong with you wanting abbey to punch mike?

for what reason?

how would you like it if you suffered your whole life like mike, and someone beat the living **** out of you just because someone else felt like you should be hit?

i bet you wouldn’t like that, would you?

so how about everyone stop being ****ing ******** for no reason?

i seriously need to stop reading these comments… too many goddamn idiots. :/

Thanatos November 21, 2013, 3:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #267180

Just want to point out Taeshi has stated on twitter what Lucy did to Mike was not specifically abuse.
Kit Stolz ‏@Mirrorhanyou
@Taeshi I have just one question about BCB. Are we meant to view Lucy’s actions before the retcon as abuse?
Veronica Vera ‏@Taeshi
@Mirrorhanyou Mike’s gotten angry about overstepping in the past so it’s not really a retcon. Playing around is fine, but there’s a limit
Kit Stolz ‏@Mirrorhanyou
@Taeshi I can see that, i’m just curious if we are meant to view it as abuse specifically.
Veronica Vera ‏@Taeshi 22h
@Mirrorhanyou Haha, not specifically. It’s more a case of a person going too far and making excuses when told to knock it off.

Also want to add that it was not Daisy’s job to stand up to Lucy, it was Mike’s. To quote a college professor of mine, “People treat you the way you let them treat you.”
By putting up with Lucy’s behavior and sticking around, Mike sent the message that her behavior was okay and since Lucy has such obvious issues, it never occurred to her maybe how she was acting wasn’t right until it was pointed out to her.
Finally, i don’t hate Mike or Lucy and I don’t side with either one, but I do dislike Mike’s constant, “no one knows how I feel, I’m so put upon” attitude.
During the Christmas party he told Chirpy, she could never understand what it’s like to be left and was wrong. http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c28/p10.html
He also told Abbey that he couldn’t know what it’s like to feel powerless around someone who depends on him and again he was wrong. http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c39/p9.html
Now, he’s going on about how everyone’s a jerk and no one likes him, wrong once again. When is he going to stop making the same assumptions and mistakes over and over again? When is he going to stop acting like no one has it as bad as he does and no one understands him. I don’t hate Mike, but he is really starting to annoy me.

Fox November 21, 2013, 3:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267181

@Fox
You put that wonderfully from a fairly unbiased point of view and I fully agree. Mike has this very off putting “holier than thou” attitude about the whole situation that I find EXTREMELY unpalatable.

Skykittykat November 21, 2013, 4:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267182

I can’t really say much that I haven’t already said. Hopefully, I gave someone food for thought. If not… Well, at least I enjoyed writing the posts out. 8-)

@Thanatos

Coome on, man, it’s not like EVERYONE’S acting that way. Some of us are trying to be intelligent and impartial. A few are even succeeding ( @Fox )

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 4:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #267183

I have to say that Mike really doesn’t have it as bad as he thinks he does. He’s mad people are mad at him? Oh boo hoo. He doesn’t have it as badly as he thinks he does. He has a loving family, a girlfriend who is a model, and clearly friends who enjoy being around him.

They haven’t been really bullying him. Friends tease each other. It is how people like Lucy and Paulo show they like someone. I think Daisy jumping on the Mikey train is just because she still has feelings for him. We’ve seen she still has feelings for Augustus too and Abbey. The girl doesn’t know exactly what she wants yet.

They’re all stupid teenagers. They have time and room to grow. Mike thinking his problems are so much bigger than all the others is Mike being horribly narrow minded.

Tsumi November 21, 2013, 4:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267184

I really can’t stand Daisy’s words here. I think it’s being waaay too overdramatic as if Paulo or Lucy had ever done something really harmful to Mike. Damn, he didn’t even feel it as something negative until Sandy told him about that (not implying anything), not even when Daisy did.

Jerkface November 21, 2013, 4:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267185

@Fox Mike’s ultimate way of thinking is that he is alone no matter what he does, nobody is going to help him, which is not the reality at all. Mike is pretty much exactly like Lucy at this point, he doesn’t want to realize what is really happening anymore. Mike’s friends care about and love him but he doesn’t want to realize it, he pretty much ignores everyone. Lucy was EXACT the same: No one apparently cared about her or understands her, first time someone breaks that image she had is Zachary when he told her that she got a bunch of friends who care about and love her. This results in Lucy being confused and wondering if she has to change something in her life. Mike is really confused at this point in the story too and is unsure how to handle all of this.

I can see this whole chapter as just a big Parallel between Mike and Lucy and how they pretty much feel and act the same, even though Mike thought Lucy was the one who needed him, this whole time he didn’t realize that he also needed her in his life.

Then again this is just my way of interpreting this story so far.

Sty November 21, 2013, 4:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267186

THANK YOU DAISY!
THANK. YOU.

Lolly November 21, 2013, 4:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267187

@KT
Implying Daisy can notice anything over Mike’s dick. Ha!

Ok, now seriously: I kinda like your way of thinking. Mike tried to be a bad guy, for Lucy’s and his own sake, yeah, sounds neat. Though what was the purpose of telling her that all their friends will abandon and blame her? I can’t see how it helped Lucy to realize that she should keep her distance. And let’s not forget about Mike’s reaction when his mother came back. Such a mood shift… it was almost as he really thought Lucy was a trash, that was at this point disposed of… or he was still playing bad guy part…. No really, this theory is quite possible to be correct. Though his current actions and behaviour are supporting ********* approach.

@Thanatos
Thanatos, I know that your incredible intelect is what makes you speacial, and you can judge every character without bias, and I am also grateful for your wisdom, that you share with us…

But what the **** dude? You say Paulo is bud for dipping his dick in every girl in this goddamn comic, yet you see nothing wrong with Daisy, who’s in relationship with Abbey and had fantasies about Mike, and now are pretending to be his backpack. This is MADNESS!

@Skykittykat
Keep talking. It brings some resaon into discussion.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 4:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267188

Abbey’s probably gonna get ******.

And Daisy, Lucy was admittedly not nice at times but she also grew out of her faze and became nicer to Mike. Even though it wouldn’t be as obvious to the characters, it should have been noticable that she wasn’t acting completely the same and there was less fighting on her side. It even went from physical violence to just verbal fights. Even Mike’s memories of Lucy after he found out she was in the hospital proved that.
Maybe Mike is aware of this in the last panel looking back at his arguments and noticing that there had been some things he had been wrong about.

I also kinda think that the group didn’t do anything because these fights didn’t last very long and they thought that the two would be able to sort it out themselves which in many cases is common. Daisy and Paulo could have also kept in mind when Mike defended Lucy way back when they actually did speak up about it (Confrontation chapter) saying that they clearly didn’t know Lucy.
There are also these little acts of kindness that show her true self instead of the barrier she put up.

While Lucy wasn’t the nicest, she doesn’t deserve to be made into this ultimate evil and I hope the group doesn’t do that themselves.
:(

stealthy toast November 21, 2013, 4:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267189

@Skykittykat Mike is under no obligation to be Lucy’s friend. He is under no obligation to “save” her. It was a horribly toxic, codependent relationship that needed to end.
Don’t get me wrong, Mike definitely could’ve done more to make it clear that he wanted to cut things off, but don’t act like Mike owes her His time and support just because She needs it. He was not the only source of support in her life, but she chose to only care about him, questionable as her ability to make that choice was.
Honestly, these kids desperately need to learn a lot of lessons. Mike already learned this one. http://www.xkcd.com/383/ Another one they all need to learn is that friends are supposed to make you feel good. They’re supposed to be people that you are happy to be around. If someone makes you unhappy, don’t try to be their friend and don’t hate them. Try to understand where they’re coming from. Then decide how to proceed. That’s where Mike, and really all of them, ****ed up. They can’t see outside their own perspective.

titansCrypt November 21, 2013, 4:23 PM EST.

Comment ID #267190

breaking news: Thanatos reads the comments. our sources however confirm he still doesn’t read the comments that come after his own. more on eleven. *anus news theme song*

by the way guys, did you think about it? since paulo has been reprimanded by daisy, he might stop mistreating mike (and maybe even apologize!). daisy is like the only person he listens to, for what I remember (well apart from david).

@buchanen_neket:
I don’t want to go back in the big discussions, but I have to say this: it really looks like you think mike’s harsh words (the insults and the lies) were no big deal. really, you might find 10000 motivatons for which he should be forgiven, but he did say those words. and they did have a very bad effect on lucy. if I were one of mike’s friends, knowing nothing, I would react more or less like paulo (only verbally though). he can’t expect them to justify him like that.
they only know lucy probably attempted suicide and then find out that mike told her those things. what could they possibly say? “you must have had a very good reason to do so. it can’t be otherwise”? nope.
that’s also why most of the people here hate him. now, they might be wrong in hating him, but those that only say he should be ashamed for those cruel words are right. he said them out of anger? welcome to the world, mike. that big thing over there is called “responsibility”.

soo to summarize, also @the_many_TL-DRers: mike may have said that only out of anger (he even apologized, but remember that he did it only because sandy shown him that text) but he can’t be forgiven that easily. not because he deserves a punishment (he has had enough I think), but because it’s his responsibility.

wow this turned out way longer than I thought. in fact the tl:dr thing above is an “alpha edit”.

@Fox:
great comment.

I can’t believe I stayed here for like 2 hours reading the comments instead of playing with skyrim! and it’s 2 days that I wait to play it since I didn’t have time!

p.s. here’s anus news’ video for the curious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d9r6nVjuRU

boh... November 21, 2013, 4:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267191

daisy is like the best character

Phillip November 21, 2013, 4:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267192

You know what happened last time Daisy said that Lucy was evil? When she last said that Lucy “was not good enough for him”? Confrontation. I hope she gets proved wrong again, because there is no way she can be allowed to put more blame on Lucy. And Lucy’s alienation is partly your fault Daisy: you are not free of blame. You are like, 2nd on the naughty list. Right next to David.
I hope that that look on Mike’s face is him thinking.

Lordofrye November 21, 2013, 4:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #267193

@Fox,

What the crap? when did this conversation happen? I’ve been arguing that angle because that looked like what she was trying to say? I mean how do you have a chapter like December then the follow up chapter is about abusive relationships and even have one of the first lines of the chapter run parallel with what one of the characters in the main story has said on multiple occasions? No way that wasn’t intentional, coincidence doesn’t stretch that far.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 4:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #267194

I’m not sure how Mike’s going to react to this and if this is what he wanted to happen. Daisy’s on ****’s side, but I don’t know if he’s going to feel good or guilty because of how they’re talking about Lucy. I’m so confused! :question:

Kalycea November 21, 2013, 4:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267195

NTR XD

SeigiRed November 21, 2013, 4:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267196

@Commander_Zero
Ahahah I try. Unfortunately I’ll have to make this my last response as I’ve got to get going.

@Sty
Thats actually a really interesting point and I’m glad you pointed out the parallel. They really are feeling a lot of the same things, just at different times. And of course the overlying truth is that they are two entirely different people and Michael is honestly better equipped to handle these emotions, however misguided that they may be.

uh oh gotta go cant stay to finish bye bye

Skykittykat November 21, 2013, 4:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #267197

typical freaking daisy

ssdigjigjsdim November 21, 2013, 4:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #267198

I’m honestly surprised at Daisy’s reaction… I assumed she was going to set Mike straight, show him the middle ground, introduce the idea that maybe they were BOTH wrong and they both had a part. Instead she completely rejects Lucy and says she was no good… like at all.

I thought Daisy was nice and her and Lucy were friends but that seems like a bit much. I admit it’d be awkward to try and be the voice of reason when people are drunk and worked up, but defaulting to Lucy bashing was shocking. Her comments about Paulo however were correct.

Justin November 21, 2013, 4:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #267199

@ Skykittykat and fox you two get banana stickers.

Blue fox November 21, 2013, 4:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267200

hahaha! Mike the bad boy playa who never wanted to be! there’s a flip!

Mikie’s got girl problems. I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems…

Meridian November 21, 2013, 4:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #267201

Sooo…

If Lucy bullying Mike (or “Mikie”) is “NOT a big deal.” then is Mike saying he HATED Lucy a big deal? Well yeah, duh.

ALTHOUGH! I never believed Mike hated Lucy, and I never believed Lucy was mean on the inside. Mike is awesome. Awesome grades, really fast, supposedly charming, (Daisy claims he smells nice), and very reasonable. Lucy wanted to feel at the same level. She didn’t want to feel weak. Mad Lucy

I think Lucy shouldn’t have been as mean. And I think she realized that too. When she tried to make it up to him in December though, Mike became confused. :unsure: I think Mike should have responded better to his feelings. And Lucy should have realized that there WAS a chance to be friends with him again, and pieced herself back together. (Just look at Curtain Call.)

Lucy, life is better with you. Can’t you realize that? #^_^#

No Mike. It’s no one’s fault. Not yours, not Lucy’s. :D

SO STOP THE BLAME GAME! And that goes for EVERY ONE OF YOU! Furious Abbey

(and great comment @Fox)

Ammonite November 21, 2013, 5:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267202

@Boh,

Nooooo, I just think mike has paid his due for going too far. He’s lived with the guilt of taking things too far and has done so since wherever that scene at the hospital was. On top of that he’s been punched by Paulo, twice, as a result of his actions. And honestly I fervently still believe Lucy had an *** chewing coming. Regardless of whether it was abuse or not (still waiting to see if Taeshi will confirm or deny or at least chime in on what Fox quoted, not keeping my hopes up though), she did treat him like crap for a long time. A few good deeds don’t make up for years of mistreatment.

Quite frankly, Lucy’s not a bad kid, but she needed an *** chewing bad and that’s why I can’t get this supposed rage i’m apparently supposed to have over Mike’s actions.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 5:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267203

It looks like Daisy if feeling Mike up a bit… Daisy sure is affectionate when she’s drunk.

That guy you know. November 21, 2013, 5:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267204

Meh, I guess we expect to much from those cat people. We expect them to be the all knowing demi-gods, but they’re not. They’re STUPID, I mean really stupid teens. Teens are stupid, and become less stupid while becoming more mature (though people are stupid in general, which pretty much means before the lights go out our biggest life success is being a little bit less stupid than before). And those are cat people. Mix up barfing, drinking from the toilet, having a barbed pingas, with stupid teens and that’s what you get:

- Mike - self obsessed crybaby, pretty much what you get for telling young boys they can be as sensitive as girls.
- Paulo - hormone driven *********, and even bigger show off - pretty much what you get, if you save yer belt while raising the kid
- Daisy - attention ***** and Mike obsessed airhead - what you get for letting your kid listen to Justin Bieber. Though this might also resault with your baby girl being attracted to other girls.
- Sue - smartass, seriously kids need to get out and play some sports or ****, instead of learning and watching House M.D. simultanously
- Jessica - not starting with this one, since LGBT groups are only waiting to burn a cross in my back yard.
- Rachel - attention… oh no wait, she’s just a regular *****! What a relief!
- David - no, I’m not going to pick on mentally challenged persons either.
- Abbey - if you’re not responsible parent and happen to kill your wife in front of your kids (seriously, marriage problems shouldn’t affect children)
you might end up creating another crusader-self righteous-nutjob. Seriously if you want to kill your spouse, fine, but keep kids out of it.

Anyway, puting parental problems aside: we have few characters, and every single one of them is biased: as stated before: Mike is self obsessed, Paulo is responsible, Abbey blinded by his self rightousnes, same goes for Sue, Daisy can’t see past Mike’s dick… how can we expect them to act reasonable?

@buchanen_neket
She almost commited suicide and he payed his due by feeling a little bad inside for like few days. LOLWUT
Also: I guess Lucy would love Mike to chew on her ***, if you know what I mean, har, har.

@Boh…
Just use Buchy-Chan.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267205

@buch (can I use “buch”?):
yeah but mike didn’t chew her ***. he teared it to pieces. he would have paid his due (I think not anyway) if it wasn’t that effective on lucy, but it was. even if it’s lucy that decided to suicide, it’s mike’s fault for bringing her to that point. if he didn’t think she would go that far is indifferent.

edit:
@Commander_Zero:
you remember me of TWEWY: “my name is Nao, but you can call me Nao-Nao for short” LOL

boh... November 21, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267206

Okay, now that is going too far zero, go smoke a bowl or whatever the hell you need to do to get out of this state because I think you just topped me and thanatos for the “dick move of the month” award.

@Boh,

actually buck would be the short form of buchanen. Anyhow, please don’t start on the suicide thing because you really don’t want my view on that. I really don’t have much sympathy for the suicide card as I’ve contemplated it myself for something FAAAAR worse than an *** chewing and still didn’t pull the trigger.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 5:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267207

I’m really surprised that @Thanatos finally had the guts to reply to someone after having pretty much constantly ignored every other comments that are posted here and even some to him :question:

No respect though XD

Jonas97face November 21, 2013, 5:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #267208

@buchanen_neket
But you have to admit: I distribute my hate equally. Though gays and mentally challenged people didn’t get any, which is some kind of discrimination, but seriously: I don’t like my lawn ruined with the remains of buring cross.

And last time I tried smoking this stuff I was convinced that my lower jaw is about to touch my forehead. Never-****ing-again.

@Jonas97face
If think Thanatos is pretty cool guy. Eh rage about cartoon cats and doesn’t affraid of anything.

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 5:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #267209

You know i find interesting how much discution the coments themselves cause in this comic , if you went out to create something controversial you did an exelent work at it .
And i notice that well mike was caught in an abusibe ralionship with lucy and a similar one with paulo , that borderline in bulling and honestly i dont know how else that would have ended otherwise.
and paulo is shamesly thinking he never done wrong to mike after hiting him less than a minute ago.

DrackeStalenTorgen November 21, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267210

So does Daisy still grief for Lucy, or did she completely just do a 180? :/
I hope it’s just the alcohol talking ._.

Bopbop November 21, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267211

All this time that all Mike’s closest friends (and everyone else, too) hazed on him for so long, and now that someone’s standing up for him, he doesn’t know what to do…

Dude, that’s borderline TRAGIC.
Bonus points for Paulo taking up arms at anyone who tries to defend Mike. And saying that harassing someone isn’t a big deal. And for doing so right after punching said someone in the ****ING FACE. AGAIN.

Insanity_Prevails November 21, 2013, 5:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267212

@buchanen_neket

Aaaaaw…Pooor wittle Mikey, a girl has been mean to him, now we all need to give him a lovely pity party, because HE was suffering. Oh b0o-****ing-hoo, let me pull out my small violin and play the worlds saddest song for this git. Seriously, you having the nads to say how Lucy deserved to be chewed out, that just sickens me so much that I wish I could slap you across the face.

You can keep try an defend poor Wittle Mikey all you want, but it doesn’t escape the fact that he’s a self absorbed-egoistical ahole who doesn’t deserve any pity, doesn’t deserve to act like he’s the victim, an sure as hell doesn’t deserve thinking that everyone should feel sorry for his spineless ***.

Kanashe November 21, 2013, 5:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267213

@Kanashe. Are you supporting that guy’s should just suck it up but it’s alright for girls to not? :/

Jonas97face November 21, 2013, 5:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267214

Kanashe,

You want to know something funny, that first paragraph is exactly how I feel a lot of times about lucy (especially the boo-****ing-hoo part). I just have enough sense not to say dumb *** **** like that.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 5:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267215

@buck:
eeeeehhhh but how old were you? and lucy is a girl (yes I said that, it counts, believe me). also everyone is different and lucy doesn’t really care about more important things (see what augustus told her about her having a home and a caring family). maybe we could say she is a spoiled child? maybe even mike is. if her love/friendship for/with mike is the only important thing in the world for her, and she loses that and even loses all her self confidence, I’m not really too surprised of her doing it.

@Commander_Zero:
there’s a “this is me playing the tiniest violin” part in TWEWY, too. loool

boh... November 21, 2013, 5:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #267216

Girls, play nicely, m’kay?

@Kanashe
I loved the part about little violin, and I feel the same about Mike. Though in the end we have to admit Lucy was at fault as well. Though still it’s unlclear to me what really happened, what was retconed, and what was removed and shouldn’t be taken into account, while Mikes actions weren’t anyhow altered.

@Boh…
And that’s the whole point! Girls and boys are different physicaly, and their minds are also different. A culture plays big role in this as well. People might whine about discrimination etc, but for pity sake, this system worked for hundreds of years!

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 5:30 PM EST.

Comment ID #267217

Daisy is now one of my least favorite characters. She likes Mike, then all over Lucy (buddy), Mike says Dias will follow him if he leaves the table, Daisy then helps Lucy get better, and cries ;_; when she learns about the truth about Lucy. Then she does a 180o. ( @Bopbop ) And I thought she was the nice one who liked everybody!

PrincessKarina November 21, 2013, 5:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #267218

I was near my 30’s, my buddy who confessed he thought about driving into oncoming traffic is in his mid 20’s. Please, PLEASE, shut it about the suicide card because you really don’t want to hear my opinion on it as it plays into why I have so little sympathy for Lucy.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 5:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267219

@ThatOneGuy
heheh totally agree about Abbey about to snap or something ;)
@#swagster
way off topic…well into a big imagination on what may happen with mike and daisy…heheh so devilish and soon she will have her way with him.
:/
anyways…I too am confused and didn’t expect daisy to share her feelings in that manner, my guess is abbey may feel either pushed out of the picture or exhibit rage and anger Furious Abbey ;_;

hythrollic November 21, 2013, 5:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267220

Your very quick to jump to conclusions huh @PrincessKarina :/?

Jonas97face November 21, 2013, 5:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267221

Oh damn, Taeshi better have those flame shields up in full force. I can just picture all the MikexLucy kids smashing their monitors in unprecedented rage. :P

Pkrockinomega November 21, 2013, 5:35 PM EST.

Comment ID #267222

@buchanen_neket
I’m a 12 years old girl, and I think it’s awful.

@PrincessKarina
She’s about as sincere, as the people who are selling Rolex watches in Italy, for 50 bucks.

@Jonas97face
Guess not supporting Mike equals not thinking hard enough about whole thing, huh?

@Pkrockinomega
More people without their monitours = less flame, more decent discussion (sips his tea, like a sir)

@hythrollic
You’re aware that she’s most likely pressing her cat tits (ALL SIX OF ‘EM, HAR, HAR) against his back, right?

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 5:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #267223

… And let the taking sides battle begin (again :/ , honestly, I should not be surprised) D: !

Oh man, Abbey’s NOT going to be happy with this, is he? D:

Subaru November 21, 2013, 5:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #267224

I swear, when I read some of the comments, I think we’re reading two totally different comics based around over-emotional teenage kitties. .-.;

Oppi November 21, 2013, 5:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #267225

I wonder the reaction of abbey in that moment :) abbey, just take it easy man.. dont gonna get mad like hulk

eagle November 21, 2013, 5:45 PM EST.

Comment ID #267226

@Buchanen_neket
https://twitter.com/Taeshi
Here’s the link to Taeshi’s twitter, scroll down to nov 20 and look at the conversation that says @Mirrorhanyou, to do this hit view conversation

Fox November 21, 2013, 5:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #267227

@Jonas97face

No, I’m saying that Mike needs to drop the “boo-hoo, poor o’me” act, drops the security blanket and finally grows a pair. Until then, I’d say he’ll remain somewhere between a cockroach and that white stuff that accumulates at the at the corner if your mouth when you’re really thirsty.

@buchanen_neket

Yeah, I’d say wankers like you are real great golden examples.

Kanashe November 21, 2013, 5:47 PM EST.

Comment ID #267228

why in italy in particular? lol
(btw I edited my previous comment in case you didn’t notice)

sorry guys (and sorry SuitCase for making a chat-like comment >_>) but I have to go to sleep. I missed the old times ç_ç

edit:
@Kanashe:
lol, citations much? mike isn’t exactly a rapist.
also don’t insult buck, you don’t know him. hell, you don’t even know his age. stop being dumb, come on.

boh... November 21, 2013, 5:48 PM EST.

Comment ID #267229

Mike and Lucy are both not any good for each other. I kind of expected this but even though Mike isn’t some evil dude, he isn’t Superman either. He like everyone else is flawed. And unlike Lucy he IS a little more level-headed, he could have talked about this with them without Alcohol and rage filling him. No one is ever just the average “nice guy.” He didn’t have take any of that but he did so I’m glad though that he’s being defended but Daisy has always had a soft spot for Mike, I don’t know how the others will react especially Sue who tried to choke the living hell out of him not too long ago. And Paulo has…um…spoken. Violently. He’s probably not gonna give a damn about anything Mike has to say….or at least not until he’s sober. Maybe.

Tealjoy November 21, 2013, 5:54 PM EST.

Comment ID #267230

Let the Lucy haters rejoice :D

Random dude November 21, 2013, 5:55 PM EST.

Comment ID #267231

Tactical blunder there, Paulo.

Goolthefool November 21, 2013, 5:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #267232

@Fox,

Mmmkay, still didn’t really clear up anything for me as she goes on to say that it depends on how you view it due to it being subjective.

Sorry man but it kind of sounds to me like she’s pulling the old press conference “neither confirm nor deny” move and that her subjective view is what you quoted. At least that’s how I read her responses to the question.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 5:57 PM EST.

Comment ID #267233

Uh, Daisy, do remember you have a boyfriend and showing your utmost affection for Mike should be held off until a later, sober time.

NuggetBiscuit November 21, 2013, 5:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267234

@Kanashe
“Until then, I’d say he’ll remain somewhere between a cockroach and that white stuff that accumulates at the at the corner if your mouth when you’re really thirsty.”

You need to post more, because that sentence was just awesome.

@Fox
It’s kinda unclear. Ok Teashi word is pretty much God taking a **** on someone in BSCB world, but how can we not think it was some form of abuse after that page, when Mike knee was all messed up?

@Boh…
Good ol’ times of wild comment section. When every man had right to stoop up for his point of view, armed with sharp replies, time of bravery, unlimited discussion (1000+ comments in December), times when we walked among the titans like Biblioholic, Thanatos, Derp, and Strider…

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 5:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #267235

@Commander_Zero
“Mike:” Sensitive? Yes. Self-obsessed? Maybe. Crybaby? I mean, he took it up the back end from pretty much everybody throughout the comic (and I’m pretty sure there are panels in which he’s smiling as he gets pummeled) and didn’t much complain about it until he blew up in December. Gender stereotypes? In Twenty-First Century America, we’re talking about socially obligatory gender stereotypes? For real, now?
“Paulo:” Yes, yes, and NO. Why would you even suggest beating a child like that? Physical disobedience doesn’t create respect, it harbors fear and resentment and sometimes gets you wound up with an even WORSE-behaving child. And for the record, Paulo’s got a single parent. It isn’t easy either to have OR to be a single parent, believe me—it was a pretty pivotal aspect of most of my teenage life.
“Daisy:” Did you seriously just bring homosexuality into this? Why? What good could that POSSIBLY do for your argument?
“Jessica:” Yeah, I’ll ****ing bet.
“David:” Jeez, you brought the cavalry, too.
“Abbey:” Remind me again when it became funny to joke about domestic abuse. Yes, Abbey’s a nutjob, but really.

And what the hell else do you expect Mike to do? He already TRIED going directly to Lucy at the hospital and it didn’t work, and he confessed what he did to everyone in the room. If you expect him to go see a priest or something—well, I don’t think such heavy religious reference is ever gonna wind up being cannon outside of the comic’s Tumblr.

Insanity_Prevails November 21, 2013, 5:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #267236

Soooo, starting a new topic since this one is seriously tense and maybe a change of topic will calm some people down.. :x I was wondering, wasn’t Tess’s old boyfriend the dog that gave Paulo his phobia? And then Paulo, for a short time, was with Tess? Guys like Alejandro (I think that was his name) don’t really let go of old girls, even if they’re no longer dating. Wonder what he would think of hearing that the little brat-cat had been with his woman? Just throwing some spoons in. *stirs* Think we’ll ever see him and Augustus again?

Zone November 21, 2013, 6:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267237

Is it my idea or this is getting a little too aggressive in here? I understand that you’re passionate about this comic but there’s no need to get offensive and contemptuous. Calm the **** down will ya?
Also, I think this arguing is heading towards how much sympathy you’re capable of feel for one character or the other without very rational and actually valid and logic reasons behind. I really really think there are tons of comments here that are way too blind.
ALSO, it’s getting way too personal too. Your personal experiences don’t allow you to feel sympathy for X character? Excuse me but, what exactly are you trying to say? That just because you didn’t react on a certain way on a certain situation it’s unjustified for others to have a different way of doing things? Just because you had bad experiences and didn’t think about committing suicide you have the right to delegitimize that decision on others? Is that really an objective judgement? I don’t think so. Even more, you need to remember that the world doesn’t revolve around you and nobody here really gives a **** about your personal experiences so you should just try not to use such egocentric line of reasoning.

Jerkface November 21, 2013, 6:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267238

OK number 1 about Daisy….. she just compete against Lucy… and lucy is not like that all the time and 2nd Daisy loves every single boy she see’s and last why Daisy!! you were just jealous about her going to sandy’s school. -_- Please mike…. you were an *** to Lucy and Lucy was a wreck.

DaveOtow November 21, 2013, 6:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267239

@Naoki

Brilliant summary.

OmegaB November 21, 2013, 6:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267240

I honestly Smell a Break up?

Like maybe Abby will Disagree with Daisy in a kinder way so she doesn’t get upset. I duno. Maybe they will all turn on Lucy :3

Eko November 21, 2013, 6:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267241

@buchanen_neket
Yes but as the author her subjective view is really the only one that matters since her view shapes the trajectory of the story and the events therein.

fox November 21, 2013, 6:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267242

@pokelover @gracefulserenity @lost_cookie @yelikarts @kt
Yes u___u so much yes.
Idk what else there is to say.
(Edit: apparently there were many things. Sorry for the long post idek how relevant it is lol.)
Lucy was hurt, she tried to trust people but people have continually shown her that she cannot trust them.

The kids at school? They rejected her and made her alone until Mike showed up, and then he abandoned her for Sandy, but she didn’t have anyone else so she crawled back to him. Or rather he crawled back to her. Then, she thought that maybe Paulo would be nice. He listened to that creep who “taught him popularity,” turns out he’s the same creep who beat them up in the alleyway AND the same guy who started sexually harassing Lucy. Thus the attempt to rape her during the fight and his knowing Paulo’s phobia. And then Acapulo, Mike was the one person she could trust and she thought he died…but Zach told her that Mike hated her. She was in denial for a long while. How could the one person she trusted hate her? After the rejection and constant nagging from her group to be around Mike, she tried to trust Paulo…and he went and, in her eyes, acted like a manwhore. And then Mike exploded at her. And she had nobody. Can anyone really blame her for not trusting people and only being able to trust Mike?

But Mike was probably the worst person for her to trust. On the surface he was the easier person to trust but honestly Paulo would have been better for her. SIGH. Mike was never built for handling people which is why he is so great at his long-distance relationship. He just has no sense when it comes to reading people. Which isn’t really his fault either, he only had Lucy for the longest time and we know how she keeps her guard up.

Mike and Lucy treated each other poorly, but they really should never have been friends. Or rather, they would have been perfect friends if one of them didn’t constantly have an ulterior love interest. The love thing caused tension.

Truth is, it’s too late to change it now. I can’t see them ever mending their friendship. So they both need to move on. And I think they both need closure. Maybe this is Mike’s closure.

Daisy…….I think she’s right on some ways but I also think that maybe she is letting her jealousy out, as has been said. I really can almost hear the “I was right for you!” In that last panel. I think Mike feels awkward too. And I think Abbey or Paulo will say something. Maybe Sue. Sue is really interesting, I can’t tell if she just has a huge Mikecrush or if she was genuinely trying to get close to him to find out what he did. “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.”

Taeshi is perfect and I think we should just accept that she loves all of her characters and in the end we will probably be able to love them all equally as well.

Silveryogurt November 21, 2013, 6:04 PM EST.

Comment ID #267243

@Insanity_Prevails
Mike - hell yeah, he’s a crybaby. He cried few times already, and big boys don’t cry, they sometimes have sweaty eyes, but they don’t cry.

“In Twenty-First Century America, we’re talking about socially obligatory gender stereotypes? For real, now?”

Obligatory? No! Everyone has right to be himself, even if that means that said everyone ends up being a *****.

Paulo: It really depends. I’m not saying kicking your kid *** MMA style is right way of raising it, but sometimes you need to resort to physical punishment. Avoiding it at any cost, while mass media are convincing kids they can do as they ****ing please is not the right idea.

Daisy: No I did not brought homosexuality into this. It just suddenly poped out when I mentioned Justin Bieber. I have no idea why.

Jessica: And they always steal my lawn gnomes too…

David: No party is complete without some cavalary.

Abbey: I do believe it became around the time Family Guy first season was airead. Or was it during Simpsons era? I really dunno, when exactly.

“And what the hell else do you expect Mike to do? He already TRIED going directly to Lucy at the hospital and it didn’t work, and he confessed what he did to everyone in the room. If you expect him to go see a priest or something—well, I don’t think such heavy religious reference is ever gonna wind up being cannon outside of the comic’s Tumblr.”

You know, I was about to make a homosexual priest joke, but I guess making fun of that would be going to far. Confessing to his friends about what he done was a step into right direction… until he decided to blame them for not supporting his actions.

@Silveryogurt
That’s a huge comment.

You’re right about Mice and Luky part.

And Daisy… seriously, I really have a feeling she’s not supporting him at all, and what we’re seing here is an old, Mike obsessed Daisy. Which is said, though I was always quite sceptic about her relationship with Abbey. He has an interesting background, but at the same time as a character he seems rather bland, and I think he’ll be cast aside later on.

We never really get the moment when Daisy got over Mike. She said something about trying to be with Abbey and it could be assumed (lol, I typed ***) that she was done with her Mikie-obsession at this moment. But then we had slumber party arc, which revealed she’s still at it. And now she’s drunk, and pretending she’s a backpack…

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 6:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267244

@Jerkface,

“without very rational and actually valid and logic reasons behind”

You’re one to talk mister go on a rant about someone who’s continuously trying to get another to stop playing that card because they aren’t going to like the response they’re going to get.

But since you guys keep bringing it up FINE, YOU ASKED FOR IT. I see suicide as a cowardly act, it’s the ultimate form of running from your problems rather than turning and facing them. As such what sympathy I had for Lucy went right out the window when she tried to kill herself. THERE YOU HAPPY NOW?! I asked nicely, I tried to get you guys to stop hitting on the issue, you just had to push it. SO IF YOU DISAGREE, I DON’T GIVE A ****!! DEAL WITH IT!!!

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 6:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267245

@Commander_Zero:
Kanashe’s sentence that you quoted is a citation of a sentence a criminal of a certain film says to another criminal (specifically, a rapist).

@Insanity_Prevails:
woah, calm down dude, read the comments a bit more cheerfully.

@buck:
hmm, don’t take it bad, but almost every time you say “don’t make me talk about this” you end up doing it.

boh... November 21, 2013, 6:13 PM EST.

Comment ID #267246

Again I’m not sure if this is the booze talking or not.

Wheatly November 21, 2013, 6:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267247

LucyXAugustus forever.

Gabria November 21, 2013, 6:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267248

@buchanen_neket - I wanted to stay off the topic, but I just had a thought. What if she wasn’t in the hospital for suicide, but for something else? Her family was already sending her away, which explains the packed boxes and cleaned out room, but what if they were having something done to her memory so she wouldn’t be hurt by them even from a distance, just by remembering Mike? Did Taeshi ever confirm she attempted suicide? All we know is that Lily said “She’ll be out in a week” before sending Mike away. So, just pondering, but it may not’ve been what we all thought.

Zone November 21, 2013, 6:17 PM EST.

Comment ID #267249

Aw daisy no stop you’re ruining it :/ well don’t worry mike now you’re not on the sinking ship by yourself.

Midstrike November 21, 2013, 6:19 PM EST.

Comment ID #267250

@Boh…
I feel betrayed, now, hah! Was it from Sin City by any chance? As far I remember it was full of juicy lines.

@Gabria
It’s okay to be raped, let’s rejoice with the thugs in a forced sex, waaaay! - lol this was awful.

@buchanen_neket
I won’t deal with it! You’re an awful person, Popeye! You hear me?! AWFUL! ! ! And ugly! That’s right, you’re awful, and ugly! Ha! Feeling bad yeah? Not quite? Well… ugh… you smell funny, too!

Now that you were properly insulted feel free to crawl under whatever rock you were living before! THIS IS A HAPPY PLACE, GODDAMNIT!

@Zone
I would like to point out she puked… This might be due to stress but… Hmmm a funny thought: what if after Paulo decided not to have hot-cawt-secks with her, she decided to find some other barbed ****, and ended up being impregnated? And no she’s being send away, so the family may evade publicity problems caused by teen-pregnancy and ******* child of some unknown guy?

Commander_Zero November 21, 2013, 6:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267251

She almost got RAPED trying to save Mike but all Mike see’s is ‘she’s mean’ or all Daisy sees is ‘she’s mean’ but noooOOoOOoO
not a single of those two even TRIED to open her up and see what the issue was. Im not SAYING Lucy isn’t an ***, but like come on so is Mike.

Doodles November 21, 2013, 6:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267252

Boh,

And every time someone pokes the bear. When I say “drop the subject” In direct response it’s akin to a rattlesnake rattling. Drop it, back off, or I will bite.

Zone,

It’s implied or at least that’s what it was supposed to be. Lily also said something else there I forget the line but it was another hint that she attempted suicide (something like “you wanted her gone” or something like that). If it isn’t, great, i’ll take the money pool for dehydration (points for whoever gets the reference). Buuuut, it’s been pretty heavily implied that it was attempted suicide.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 6:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267253

I’m sorry, but does anyone else hates Mike? I mean, seriously! Mike, you never understood a single thing about Lucy…..

Komomacki November 21, 2013, 6:28 PM EST.

Comment ID #267254

@Commander_Zero:
I don’t know, it was a film in which many criminals get transferred by airplane, but they had a plan to break free from the handcuffs and so divert the plane’s route to get free, and there’s the usual strong guy on the plane who succeeds to get all the criminals arrested while defending the usual helpless woman and defeats the main villain after a crazy car pursuit.
yeah.

argh I have to go to sleep x . x bye again!

edit:
@Fox:
yes, it’s that one.
and yes @buck.

boh... November 21, 2013, 6:31 PM EST.

Comment ID #267256

I think you all forget how many times mikes saved her he even fell of a bridge to save her so I think hes earned a tiny bit of peace hes done a lot for her

Mikes_Friend November 21, 2013, 6:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267257

@boh
I believe the movie is con air

fox November 21, 2013, 6:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267258

You’re weak, Mike. Weak.

Mayor Incognito November 21, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267259

Boh,

That, sounds like CON AIR. Was the crazy car chase finale the good guy on a police motorcycle and the bad guys on a fire truck.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 6:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267260

@Silveryogurt

I wish we had the option to like comments, because I’ve never wanted to more than now.

OmegaB November 21, 2013, 6:41 PM EST.

Comment ID #267261

Dam the comments are long.
Personally, I think Mike did the wrong thing, for the right reasons. Lucy is not a bad person, she has issues, but she did bully mike a bit, he was within his right to stand up to her, he just did it wrong, and forgot to take lucys own issues into account. But he did try to appologise eventually.

Thisguy November 21, 2013, 6:42 PM EST.

Comment ID #267262

@fox,

True, It’s just how she responded. It sounded a bit non-committal. Like she wanted to give her own “director’s commentary” on the subject but didn’t want to say yay or nay. kind of like she wanted to put in her 2 cents while leaving it open for discussion.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 6:49 PM EST.

Comment ID #267263

@neket
Perhaps, however she did say verbatim that it was not specifically abuse. The subjective comment came after the comment that the word abuse is thrown out a lot here.

fox November 21, 2013, 7:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267264

So first it was about Lucy and than back to Mike and than Lucy again but now in a negative view. Ugh… Feel like we are ping ponging back and forward here.

Leaf November 21, 2013, 7:05 PM EST.

Comment ID #267265

@Commander_Zero - I’ve puked out of stress, and I’ve never had it as bad as she has. And her family has noticed she’s been getting more and more depressed, so they were sending her away for her own good. Lucy said “why is everyone deciding things for me?” to Augustus, when he thought she was about to jump on New Year’s Eve, which supports the thought of her family sending her away against her will. Lucy only went to Paulo because 1) he’s a friend and 2) he likes her and she knows it. Even someone as irrational as her at that time wouldn’t be upset about being rejected so badly she would sleep with a random guy.

I looked it up. Lily’s exact lines were “It’s nothing for you to worry about now.” “She’ll be fine, they say she’ll be out in a week.” Then Mike made a horrified face, but Lily neither confirmed nor denied what he’s too shocked to completely say. All she said after that was “Micheal, why are you here? She’s not coming back. Isn’t that what you wanted?”

She said “She’ll be out in a week” and “She’s not coming back”, but that was after plans had already been made. So, whether she chose to commit suicide or not, just sending her away wouldn’t be enough. Her past would still haunt her, unless they wiped her memories of this town. Even the pets would be forgotten, unless they went with her. This is all speculation, though. Most people assume the same thing Mike obviously did.

Zone November 21, 2013, 7:08 PM EST.

Comment ID #267266

Well really what bugs me is that if that’s not the right angle to be looking at it, wouldn’t she have made a move by now? Either in the comic or just popping up here and saying something along the lines of “you’re barking up the wrong tree, guys” if she’s saying it shouldn’t be viewed as abuse. That’s why I see her comment the way I see it.

But it could be a case of interpretation, you know, you hair what you want to hear.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 7:09 PM EST.

Comment ID #267267

Is this supposed to make me hate Lucy
Because it’s really not working

Rina November 21, 2013, 7:18 PM EST.

Comment ID #267268

Don’t care about Mike/Lucy, I wanna see how Abby is reacting

Dragnite November 21, 2013, 7:20 PM EST.

Comment ID #267269

You know, I think I understand now why no one said anything when Lucy was acting the way she did with Michael. They all thought it was harmless Teasing so no one said anything. ’

In Mike’s Case, even he saw it like that until Sandy, whom isn’t around, understood it from a different perspective and pointed out that it wasn’t right. Even Lucy saw it as just her teasing him (though she WAS clinging to him for far too long). I find it hard to really blame anyone besides Mike because he enabled the behavior for years, then pulled the cord on it abruptly in order to resolve it.

He could have gradually made it clear, but instead he chose to attack her in the best way to shut her down completely which left her, whom thought her actions were okay, with no idea how to handle the situation. Now, he wants to say they didn’t stand up for him? He never made it seem like he needed someone to stand up for him. He laughed and joked and bantered with lucy the entire time up until now. He ignored daisy and when she tried to put herself out there, he callously rejected her.

What has mike done for any of the characters besides himself that makes you all think he is such a good guy? He thinks about himself more than anyone else. Who doesn’t though. But mike isn’t selfless. He’s never helped any of them.

Lucy was harshly honest with everyone but herself. She had the ability to see the fault of everyone but herself. If you ask me, she tackled everyone. Mike, being the only one she truly considered a friend, seemed to get it worse because she mostly hung round him. She went home with him. He played games in her house. They were true friends so the “Abuse” seemed more prominent. She didn’t visit the other’s house or anything. As a result, no one really knew what was happening with them. How could they help him?

Daisy isn’t even the innocent whatever you think she is. Knowing that Mike was infatuated with Sandy and Lucy she still tried to pry herself in. She got a boyfriend and still feels jealous when she thought Augustus might have liked Lucy. She’s a brat for the most part that wants attention. If Mike told her right now that he would dump sandy for her, she would drop abby in a heartbeat.

Paulo has no control over his emotions. Sleeps with two girls in the span of a few moments, gains a girlfriend while having lingering feelings for someone. He was bound to dump Jasmine for lucy and what does he do? Makes out with Lucy right after his break up. Lucy goes missing (Where the hell is she?) and he moves on to Rachel. Rachel is a kindhearted **** and her friend even says so. I think the only genuine characters in this thing is David and that’s because he’s mostly an idiot, and Amaya…..maybe Sue, and that’s because they are majorly side characters.

The Mains are all terrible and that’s NORMAL for teenagers. But that’s just my opinion.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 7:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267270

Umm… Anyone else noticing that Mike, Paulo, and Daisy are all wearing (practically; Daisy’s is a tad different) the same colour?

Unrelated November 21, 2013, 7:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #267271

I ship buchanen_neket X Commander_Zero

They’re kinda like the Mike x Lucy of the comments section

oy vey November 21, 2013, 7:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #267272

I WANNA READ THE REST T_T

BLACKOUT November 21, 2013, 8:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267273

@oy vey



You sir, have won the internet.

God November 21, 2013, 8:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267274

I think I’m going to lose my head at some of these comments

To those of you saying Mike deserves no sympathy: Knock it off.

To those of you saying Lucy deserves no sympathy: Knock it off.

THEY BOTH ****ED UP. But they’re both great characters and good people and yet some of you guys act like they’re monsters and keep screaming about how they deserve to be alone or beaten and left to be alone or how they have no right to speak up whatever other kind of terrible thing your mind can think of (which I don’t even understand how some of you can say that ****, because all of those things are serious and shouldn’t be tossed around)

and seriously why are people even thinking that this is possibly supposed to make us hate Lucy? Just because Daisy is supporting Mike instead? She didn’t say what Mike did to Lucy was okay, she’s simply acknowledging that Lucy and Paulo were mean. And they were. But did you guys just forget that Paulo just tried to beat Mike because Paulo is completely on Lucy’s side? And that everyone gave Mike a horrified stare when Mike dropped the bomb? If you’re saying that this page is trying to make us hate Lucy, that’s just like saying the previous pages were trying to get us to hate Mike.

I mean really why would Taeshi even try to get us to hate either of them if they both ****ed up? She’s just good with characterization (which I would like to commend her for, the characters are reacting in a very realistic way!)

And I just can’t believe that some of you want to see Mike suffer so terribly because he made Lucy suffer. I mean, do you guys really think he was trying to push her into depression and a suicide attempt? Of course not. He’s not evil incarnate, he just made a mistake that unfortunately had some really terrible consequences.

Please, please, please stop with the pro-Lucy/pro-Micheal/anti-Lucy/anti-Micheal ********. They aren’t perfect, but they are good at heart and I’m sure they (along with everyone else) learned something from this. Lucy didn’t deserve to have what happened to her happen and Michael doesn’t deserve to get beaten and left all alone as a result. They’re good and they’re trying and that’s all that should matter.

Stop raging and wishing all these terrible things on these characters.

Ribbon November 21, 2013, 8:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267275

daisy grinds my gears so hard

isabelle November 21, 2013, 8:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267276

noT IN A SEXUAL MANNER

isabelle November 21, 2013, 8:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267277

Abbey! It is time.
Go Apeshit mode.

Please?

Pshyzo November 21, 2013, 8:34 PM EST.

Comment ID #267278

I could write volumes on this. Instead I’ll just say mikes a *****.

Jared sheep November 21, 2013, 8:39 PM EST.

Comment ID #267279

@Just saying
@Ribbon

Thank you! You’re the only comments that seemed to make sense at the moment! I’m still wondering where this Lucy ‘abused’ Micheal thing came from. Yeah, sure, she treated him badly but it wasn’t like she was pummeling him into the ground and he hadn’t fought back. I mean, I would feel terrible for Micheal if he hadn’t bantered back with her but that wasn’t the case. .-. ‘Abuse’ is way to strong a word to use with Lucy and her relationship with Micheal. Teasing, maybe bullying yeah, but I wouldn’t say… Abuse. .-.;

Anyway, I’m on no one’s side. All of them somehow ****ed their relationship in some way. I commended Lucy on trying to change and staying away and I commended Micheal for putting up with her to a point and growing some balls (good balls) for two seconds before completely going overboard. .-.; A lot of these comments are awfully one-sided. o-o;

Oppi November 21, 2013, 8:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #267280

@neket
Perhaps, however she did say verbatim that it was not specifically abuse. The subjective comment came after the comment that the word abuse is thrown out a lot here.

fox November 21, 2013, 8:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #267281

I mean, I kinda agree with Daisy. Sometimes, Lucy was a jerk. Though that doesn’t warrant him saying all that Mike said to her. They were both at fault, and when it really breaks down to it, like from the very beginning of the comic, I’d say it was Mike’s fault. But neither of them really responded the way they should’ve. But they’re kids, sooo…
But Daisy, drunk or not should probably back off. I’m scared of what Abby might do. I mean he’s the only one who’s not drunk, but still, it’s Abby, and his girl is huggin’ up on some jerk-face who literally just openly admitted that he had destroyed their friend like a little dog. (Sorry doggies.) And she’s protecting him, and hugging him. If you /have/ to take sides, wouldn’t Lucy, the current victim, be the one to protect?
From memory, I don’t think Lucy really even did anything that bad, but my memory might be shot. :unsure:

t3rr131 November 21, 2013, 8:59 PM EST.

Comment ID #267282

I strongly suspect that everyone will apologize to Mike, most likely in the similar or same order as Mike told Lucy they’d ditch her in December, and play down or outright insult Lucy (as Daisy just did) while doing so. He’ll probably realize at that point that people abandoning Lucy in general (in this case, by pointing out she was never a good fit and they had failed to intervene) was exactly what Lucy feared, that his comments made those fears rise exponentially to the point where she had a breakdown… and then probably realize that in the group, HE was the central ‘friend” between everyone.

He had said those things to spite Lucy sure, but he obviously thought that everyone liked Lucy more and wouldn’t actually abandon her. However, I am suddenly suspecting that he’ll realize that the actual situation is exactly what he had claimed in December, and that as a result of his actions here and in December, he’s the reason she was eventually shunned here even by her friends, because he played up his own made-up fears (regarding his friends not really being friends). He will realize that his own fears about his friends leaving him for Lucy were untrue and that he utterly destroyed Lucy with his words in December (unintentional in regards to the degree he hurt her) because she feared - and maybe even knew - that Mike’s words were true even though he didn’t…. and all of this realization ironically will come as a result of his friends accepting him contrary to what he thought would happen.

What do you guys think about my theory?

Edit:
@t3rr131 She didn’t do one specific, HUGE mistake. Her problem was that she abused Mike over a long period of time in a misguided way to show her affection. By the time she realized it, at least to Mike’s eyes, it was too late.

Also, Lucy’s not the current victim here at the party. In a way, everyone is because they’re all still reeling over what Mike told them. Mike is a victim as well, due to how Paulo lashed out and how he felt about how the friends never intervened (though a lot of his feelings were created by himself and weren’t actually true). Everyone in a way needs some love, and the only way to do that is to let everything out in the open, like Daisy just did. Whether or not a person supports what Daisy said is a different matter.

Deiser November 21, 2013, 9:06 PM EST.

Comment ID #267283

NNOOO Daisy he’s gotta be PUNISHED.

Trubeque November 21, 2013, 9:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267284

Oh, no, c’mon, Daisy. Listen, I like you, I really do, but stop pretending like Mike was never wrong. They all made their mistakes, every single one of ‘em, but stop justifying what Mike did to Lucy. So you agree with him, support the fact that he said all of those things to her? Yeah, she wasn’t exactly the best kind of friend, and yeah, she had a LOT of flaws, but she genuinely cared for all of her friends.

MIKE IS NOT PERFECT.
LUCY IS NOT PERFECT.
DAISY IS NOT PERFECT, although she’s seriously annoying me on this one.
NOBODY IS PERFECT.
PLUS, THEY ARE DRUNK.

It would’ve been much better if they’d talked about this SOBER, but, well, at least it’s out there now. I just don’t like the fact that Daisy is acting like Mike’s the only victim in the situation. Daisy, I love you, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CUT IT OUT. HE MADE SOME MISTAKES TOO, YOU KNOW.

X November 21, 2013, 9:26 PM EST.

Comment ID #267285

I think some of the more bloodthirsty users need a little ban to help cool them down. They’re making discussion hard for the rest of us.

Anonymous November 21, 2013, 9:40 PM EST.

Comment ID #267286

why do people go from one mistake to another?? Too much… this is just too much… I don’t even know whether to rage or just sigh and go…

Vanilla November 21, 2013, 9:43 PM EST.

Comment ID #267287

@oy vey and @God

I vote to move this notion. I actually really enjoy the hilarity that ensure from those two when they argue. Between @buchanen_neket’s bull headed notions from his past shenanigians and @Commander_Zero’s sharp insults, I’m not sure who is funnier. Commander relentlessly picks on Buchanen, to which he doesn’t respond to most of the time, but when he does it’s a hailstorm. I think commander is Lucy and Buchanen is Mike.

(It also works because Commander likes Lucy, and buchanen spends all his comments on explaining to the hordes of sense that Mike is like a god to his friends and should be left alone to treat people however the **** he wants.)

Lickit&stickit November 21, 2013, 9:50 PM EST.

Comment ID #267288

I hate Daisy.

~Bat_with_a_cat November 21, 2013, 9:52 PM EST.

Comment ID #267289

wut

Wut November 21, 2013, 10:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267290

Wow. Comments are sorta crazy. Nice to see some middle ground discussion. Daaw Daisy you too cute

VolnuttN7 November 21, 2013, 10:01 PM EST.

Comment ID #267291

*insert huge personal vent about being in Paulo’s position nearly to the T.* I knew there was a reason Paulo was my favourite character in this series next to Abbey…

Mousse the Husky November 21, 2013, 10:11 PM EST.

Comment ID #267292

Good god, now I remember why I had stopped reading the comments after the first few hours. The first posters are fine, but then come the ones who are all about the hate.

Can we go one page without someone announcing how horrible one character is, how every issue in the comic is their fault, and how they should die in a hole and get eaten by overweight ladybugs until only their bones are left?

In other news, there’s been a swarm of overweight ladybugs, some weighing in at almost three ounces, rolling across the pacific midwest. I mean, literally rolling. Their itty-bitty wings don’t give enough lift, and they can’t reach the ground with their legs, so they are forced to roll. Scientists are calling this impossible, though some speculate that McDonald’s is to blame. Back to you in the studio!


If that didn’t lighten the atmosphere, nothing will.

Lost_Cookie November 21, 2013, 10:12 PM EST.

Comment ID #267293

Daisy = Mike supporters
Paulo = Lucy supporters
Rachel= Everybody else
XD

eyexofxtiger November 21, 2013, 10:22 PM EST.

Comment ID #267294

Lickit&stickit,

I don’t mind that comparison, buuuut I will make one correction. I don’t think micheal is a god or something. I think he made one, uno, singular mistake and everybody is suddenly “OH MY GOD, MIKE IS A JERK, BURN HIM.” this is in comparison of HOW MANY mistakes lucy has made? on top of the hitting, how about her confessing to a GUY SHE’S KNOWN IS IN A RELATIONSHIP, how about hanging out with a KNOWN RAPIST (I don’t give a crap, attempted rape is still rape) who attacked one of her supposed friends. That’s off the top of my head.

To summarize it, I don’t think mike deserves all the crap he gets in the comments. That’s why I defend his case.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 10:25 PM EST.

Comment ID #267295

oh-oh, dere’s dat pet name…. aside from simply being a caring person, does somebody also perhaps still have a little crush?….


Also I’d like to point out that Mike still doesn’t really seem satisfied or happy even though he suddenly has what he wanted which is attention…. ( by which I mean where is all teh touchy sobby that I was promised? D8 ) that is all. -scoots away quietly-

-.- November 21, 2013, 10:29 PM EST.

Comment ID #267296

You know what, I can understand getting angry at mike for what he did, but having to turn it into an excuse to do every horrible thing to him is just too much.

Also Kinda sick of all the Paulo and Lucy are saints garbage. Paulo is a complete attention seeking manwhore, he is constantly sleeping with one girl or another or chasing one then changing his mind and going for another or one of the same. He cares about the girls only in so far as it effects him the second his attention shifts they no longer matter, on top of this he acts like a self entitled jerk. He deserved none of the support the gets except that he has the hots for Lucy and thus her amazing saintliness rubs off onto him and makes him blameless.

Lucy is abusive, on top of which any of the other people in the comic (the so called friends and family) could just as easily have noticed her pain and tried to help her, instead most ignored her or just put on more stress, why isn’t anyone else on constant trial for what happened? and what about all those times Mike showed his feelings to Lucy and she ignored them or made fun, or answered with her defense mechanism and just slapped him.

My goodness, and the second he stands up for himself he’s a wuss, paulo whines and cries cause he can’t get the girl he wants that week and everyone is “dawww” or “poor paulo we <3 you”.

and really, I see comments switching on Daisy too, “from she’s soo cute”, to ” omg she supports mike bite her head off!!! no one can say anything bad about Lucy!!!”

I just wish I understood if it were the gender thing or just a matter of extreme Lucy, Paulo or LucyxPaulo fandom. Mike feels bad, he apologizes, he has a reason for acting the way he did( even if he over did it.) He doesn’t spend every single moment blaming others or guilt tripping them or insulting/ attacking them, and he STILL can’t catch a single break without people being outright DRUNK.

How he hasn’t just snapped on everyone amazes me, especially when Paulo the supposed real man ( they are teenage animals still right?) blows up or breaks down on the drop of a hat.

manwithnoname November 21, 2013, 10:38 PM EST.

Comment ID #267297

Certainly Lucy teased him too hard, but at the same time it’s Mike’s fault for doing nothing about it himself. Instead of resisting, and working on Lucy’s aggressiveness, he just took it, and then blew up, hurting everyone.

Tcj333 November 21, 2013, 10:46 PM EST.

Comment ID #267298

Tcj333

There is some truth to that how ever, In previous comics any attempt to point out Lucy’s problems or aggressiveness just leads to problems. Telling her no either lead to getting punched, laughed at and insulted, or Lucy going emo. These are also teens and Mike spent Soo much time trying to take care of Lucy becuase with out him she was prone to even more anger or just breaking down.

Mikes choices if he wanted to be a good friend where either, Tell her off ( he did and look how well that went), Just take it as long as you can while being supportive ( this actually lead up to the result of the previous option), Ignore her ( more problems here), Be godly and just act like a door mat for the rest of his life doing whatever Lucy wants even at the cost of his wants like relathionships ( This would have been the ultimate in self destructive ideas and from most comments is what alot of people think was the right choice.)

and finally Talk to her and his other friends, maybe even bring her family into it. Help Lucy come to terms with her issues mini intervention style. ( this is the choice that he should have taken BUT is also the choice most mature adults can’t even do let alone a single teenager with little to no support.)

Mike certainly helped push things down but there are plenty of people that helped set it up and make it worse.

manwithnoname November 21, 2013, 10:56 PM EST.

Comment ID #267299

Tcj333,

okay let me lay a what if on you fine folks who keep saying that he should have spoke up before he blew up. What do you think would have happened if he did that? Do you think their friends would have been reasonable and been “okay we understand, but” and explain things logically and try and work on things with them? or do you think they would have called him a wuss and told him to man up because Lucy needs him? I mean look what it took for him to get in a word edgewise here, he had to literally go on the attack to break Paulo’s attack long enough for him to make his case.

Also what manwithnoname said (love the reference by the way)

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 10:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267300

So those cute little circles?Are they meant to show drunkenness? Haha they have been around so much lately that my brain started to think they were wallpaper. Haha c:

I like all the character development and stuff, I really do think the cats are headed in the right direction here by opening up. But I loved the story more when there was less drama. I used to love the way your comics got me to laugh. There was still a lot of turmoil but it never felt so heavy. That’s not to say that you suck at the emotionally charged scenes; Oh no quite the opposite, they can sometimes start to feel too real. For me, a lot of situations here hit close to home and remind me of my own ****** high school experience. Yeah, the best solution for me would be to stop reading it entirely but I guess I am a bit too invested to do that. So I am just going to take a few weeks off (starting tomorrow lol), stop reading the comments, and come back hopefully when the drama is over and I can read it all in one large chunk.

I am in the minority here but what I would like to see would be how all of this is effecting some of the more minor characters. Or maybe a behind the scenes home life. Even just some random happy. I personally really miss the ‘pets’ and would love to see how they are holding up. And I am curious as to what FFcat’s gang is plotting for revenge… though I don’t thing the story is where it needs to be for that to happen yet.

All in all great job with everything Veronica. I know some of us fans can be terrible and crazy sometimes and can take everything too seriously (including me). You always put out good, quality work out for us everyday. Considering your anxiety and depression problems, it must be very difficult for you to go on doing that with all of the opinions and misunderstandings and critical analyses everyone has (including me). I really respect that and admire your bravery to continue. Thank you <3

Lala November 21, 2013, 11:03 PM EST.

Comment ID #267301

buchanen_neket

Agreed and thank you.

manwithnoname November 21, 2013, 11:10 PM EST.

Comment ID #267302

@manwithnoname
@buchanen_neket

Thank you. Especially you Buchanen, since I keep hunting for your comments because I agree with a lot of topics you’ve said. I’m sitting here in utter disbelief at how some people keeps saying that “Lucy’s teasing was not abuse!” and “Lucy kept doing it because Mike let her gets away with it and she learns that it’s okay!”. Like…how far are they willing to go to defend a broken relationship? If I can remember right, Mike HAS tried to tell Lucy to stop which usually ends in a quarrel and at each other’s throats.

I’m super glad that Lucy’s finally out of the picture. Mike deserves someone who treats him with respect and not being called a jerkface with malice while being kicked in the shins. The relationship wasn’t fair on him and it was only the matter of time before he could take so much.

Had to grind my teeth together at Paulo’s reaction to Daisy, so I’m pleased to see Daisy calling out on his BS as well.

JEEEEEZ. THIS COMIC, U GAIZ.

Starmuttani November 21, 2013, 11:14 PM EST.

Comment ID #267303

@Buchanen

If Mike had started to constantly tell her to back off, Lucy, by nature of what we have seen of her, would have rebounded somewhere else. He wasn’t being a good friend by letting her have her way to just snap at the end. He chose the , for lack of better term, stupidest route. And, for a long time, he LIKED lucy so part of his reasoning for being the way he was was because he had feelings for her. When his feelings for her began burning out, we ended up seeing this side of him. Mike has been enabling Lucy’s bad behavior for a long time. Truth be told, had he gradually backed off, the others, with the exception of paulo, would not have the reactions they had here. Their reactions are based on Mike’s harsh strategy to cut the umbilical cord she had attached to him. Hell, had he gone about another route, this page wouldn’t even exist because there would have been no truly tragic and abrupt ending of the relationship and mike would not have said what he did.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 11:16 PM EST.

Comment ID #267304

@JustSaying


You… I like you.

Someone November 21, 2013, 11:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267305

@stamuttani

I am guessing you know nothing of child studies. If a baby is taught that drawing on the wall is good, the baby will continue to draw on that wall. If you suddenly spank the child after years of allowing them to believe it was okay, are you really going to blame the child for not knowing any better? The child didn’t come out of nowhere with a “Broken” mentality. It was a reinforced behavior by someone else. If Mike, from the jump, had put his foot down, he wouldn’t be in this situation right now and neither would Lucy. Mike was the bad parent and Lucy was the bad Child.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 11:21 PM EST.

Comment ID #267306

The way I look at this is, when you wake up one day with a lump on your body, what do you do?

Do you wait for it to go away, or do you do something about it?

Lucy’s teasing WAS abuse, but Mike waited forever to do anything about it.

She was starting to learn, but years after the fact. She was changing and showing Mike appreciation. She was giving Mike what he wanted, and THAT was when he chose to express his pain. Very loudly and harshly.

I hold them at a mutual fault.

Hunnikitty November 21, 2013, 11:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267307

@Just saying

But whenever Mike tells Lucy to stop, she reacts with either violence, insults, or just plain depressed. I dunno about you man, but that’s pretty hard to deal with constant- especially with something that you’ve been used to for so long. It’s true, he did reinforced her behavior but don’t forget that they’ve known each other since 1st grade- they were just kids when this started. How were they supposed to know any better? :/

What Mike had done with cold turkey was undeniably a bad idea, but he really had enough of Lucy’s harassment that he just wanted to rip off the band-aid as to get it over with. He didn’t want to be her friend anymore; how is it HIS responsibility to spend time and effort to cutting someone out? Their relationship was toxic and he realized this too late for him to simply ‘ease his way out’.

Starmuttani November 21, 2013, 11:24 PM EST.

Comment ID #267308

Do we really have any reason to believe the others reaction would be any different than here, Just saying. That is with the exception of Daisy. I can see an alternate universe where Mike had come forward earlier and tried to get the friends involved. I see Paulo basically controlling the argument and telling him to stop being a wuss, I see the majority save for maybe Sue going along with Paulo. I see Mike resigning himself to his fate and the blow up happening anyways at a later point. Daisy is kind of the wild card in this and that’s because I can’t tell if this is just how she genuinely feels OR if it’s alcohol combined with her abandonment issues. But regardless of why it’s happening it’s the, for lack of a better word, Butterfly effect that may or may not happen in the alternate timeline. This effect seems to be what may shift control from Paulo to Mike. Paulo, from his reaction on this page just got a hard hit from his “little sister” and it’s managed to stun him long enough for another timeline to take effect. this may (most likely) not happen in the universe B where Mike just tried to handle the situation before it became too much for him.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 11:27 PM EST.

Comment ID #267309

•Daisy told Mike early on that Lucy was mean to him - Mike just ignored her. Obviously she’s forgotten this.
•Mike used to be ok with how Lucy was, and still pursued her. Lucy couldn’t commit, and Mike finally connected with Sandy.
•Mike begins to neglect all of his friends for Sandy, and starts to get fed up with Lucy, although at this point Lucy realizes she wants Mike, but is too late.
•But when Sandy points out to him how mean she actually is (Even though Daisy was there to say it first), Mike starts to despise Lucy and becomes hostile.
•Lucy tries to make amends, even though not in the way she should have. Even if she can’t have him, she wants him to be happy, has started to grow even in her own, and isn’t nearly as harsh as she used to be towards him.
•Mike full out snaps, destroys her mentally, and sends her on her way.

Lucy, Mike, Paulo, Daisy, and all the rest were at fault here. Paulo and Lucy bullied Mike. Mike never really took matters into his own hands, or asked help from his friends, his friends (Yes, even Daisy) never helped when the abuse took place, and overlooked it as “harmless teasing” There’s no right in any of these situations, outside of Sandy at this point, and she’s still not one of my favorite characters.

The point is, this is supposed to be Bittersweet, and Tae is making it just so. Everything in place here is to cause us all to take sides, point fingers, and stand our ground on who’s right and who’s wrong…

But the real matter is, NO ONE, is right.

Someone November 21, 2013, 11:32 PM EST.

Comment ID #267310

@stamuttani

Children are not stupid. In first grade you have the ability to decide who you want as a friend or not. My niece is 5 and if you do anything she doesn’t like, she tells you to stop. Children know these things. And what happened when they got older? By 11, Mike could have figured out that he doesn’t like this, but he kept it going. You know better by 11.

While we are at it, Mike, until now, has never once said “Lucy, I don’t like when you do this.” He continued to playfully go along with her, and if he was mad that she did something, he walked away. Or, if they argued, he ALLOWED her to come back and continue with it. Mike has had ample opportunities to nip this in the bud. However, since we are on the subject of mike not wanting to hurt feelings and such, you are telling me that it is not his fault for allowing someone to continually practice a behavior that he did not like? Let’s put them at 13. At 13, you were unable to tell someone that you don’t think they should be friends anymore because you don’t like how you are treated? I will never say lucy isn’t wrong, but Mike is nowhere near the good guy at any instance in all of this. Mike needs to account for his actions but he doesn’t want to. We see clearly that he knows, but he refuses to be wrong.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 11:33 PM EST.

Comment ID #267311

Also, Up until Now, Only Paulo and Daisy have been involved in Lucy and Mike’s relationship and those two are unreliable. Paulo loves lucy, and Daisy loves Mike. They can never be unbiased in their decisions. Sue has never involved herself, Abbey only just appeared so he doesn’t know the ins and out, David hasn’t had a real conversation with Mike or Lucy. Tess again doesn’t know the ins and out. Their friends don’t know enough to help and the only two that could probably have an opinion will not sway.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 11:37 PM EST.

Comment ID #267312

Ohhhhh, really wish you would’ve just stopped while you were ahead “Just Saying”. “Mike needs to account for his actions but he doesn’t want to”. So what was the breakdown at the hospital? what was the apology at the play? why did he even bother confessing here? He’s reacting this way now because he’s had to shoulder the guilt for a long *** time. What do you want him to put up a crucifix and say “****ING KILL ME” will that finally be enough for you guys to acknowledge he IS ATONING for part of what he did. He has guilt but he also feels justified for standing up for himself. He’s atoning for what he felt he did wrong, but oh no, you guys won’t be happy till he’s run out into the streets, stoned and exiled will you. Jesus ****ing Christ.

buchanen_neket November 21, 2013, 11:44 PM EST.

Comment ID #267313

@Buchanen You really need to calm down. Ranting and raving like that does nothing to prove a point, it just makes you look ignorant and incapable of holding a civil conversation.

Frankly speaking, I forgot that he did apologize at the play. I went back and re-read the ending. He did clearly say he didn’t need to react and they needed to talk things through. So, with that, I can accept that Mike has indeed accounted for actions.

Just saying November 21, 2013, 11:58 PM EST.

Comment ID #267314

Is there going to be an “I hate Lucy club” without Paulo? :/

asdf November 22, 2013, 12:01 AM EST.

Comment ID #267315

@Just Saying
I had a much bigger comment, but I decided to erase it because it’s pretty much beating a dead horse… But I do want to point something that you said:

“…and if he was mad that she did something, he walked away. ”

HOW IS THIS NOT TELLING LUCY TO BACK OFF? xD I think that’s a pretty definite behavior that says ‘hey I didn’t like the thing you did so I’m going away so you can stop doing that thing I don’t like’.

@Someone
I think everyone’s arguing for the sake of arguing. Heck, I like the drama. xDD

Starmuttani November 22, 2013, 12:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #267316

u___u missing how everyone was such good friends in the beginning
esp lucy and mike they used to be on such better terms
and now its just
WHYYYYYY?!

Saitaru November 22, 2013, 12:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #267317

@starmuttani

No that’s not a definite way of telling someone to back off. That’s “I don’t want to argue.” Definite behavior would have been to not allow her to come back and talk to him and do all the things she did. He walked away and the next chapter, there they are, going through the same motions.

Just saying November 22, 2013, 12:06 AM EST.

Comment ID #267319

@just saying,

Sorry man, it’s late, I’ve had a couple and I’ve seen a buttload of comments saying “mike isn’t atoning” “mike needs to take responsibility for his actions”. You saying that was just the last straw for me today. Sorry man, it was more meant as me going off on all the people who aren’t acknowledging the moments where we’ve clearly been shown he feels guilty and is trying to atone for what he did.

buchanen_neket November 22, 2013, 12:15 AM EST.

Comment ID #267320

@Someone: Thank you, kindly.

Chocothunda November 22, 2013, 12:17 AM EST.

Comment ID #267321

@Buchanen Yea I didn’t need to put it that way either. It can get frustrating when people don’t get what you’re saying. Now that I’ve reread a lot of it, you can see that he did try to make up for it and then the chapters after that lacked a lucy POV, so I guess most folks are stuck in Mike is bad guy mode since it seems unresolved with the female protagonist missing.

Just saying November 22, 2013, 12:20 AM EST.

Comment ID #267322

This is what I was looking for. Daisy in Rage mode and gets shut down by Michael
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c12/p3.html
http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c12/p4.html

This isn’t about Michael, this is just where Daisy tried to say Lucy sucks, but I’m better so Date me. And Mike tells her to beat it.

Just saying November 22, 2013, 12:24 AM EST.

Comment ID #267323

Favorite part is coming here and looking at the Mike defenders and the Lucy defenders go at it in an all out war of words. No matter which way you look at it, you are all arguing over something that is irrelevant. This is a comic. It will turn out the way the writer dictates. All of you people trying to justify or crucify, depending which side you’re on, Mike are missing the point of this. It was ment fir entertainment. If you come here and get into a who’s right and who’s wrong battle then you need to grow up. It’s getting to the point where it is just ridiculous. Come now people, can’t we get along and enjoy the gift that Veronica has given us?

Random dude November 22, 2013, 12:30 AM EST.

Comment ID #267324

Random dude,

If we didn’t take sides then we really aren’t enjoying the comic. Taeshi is laying issues on both sides of the table to get the audience to draw a line and go to a side. These are issues that people face in the real life, so inevitably you’re going to end up on a side, even if you aren’t vocal about it. Whether it’s abuse issues, abandonment issues, depression, suicide, relationship problems, etc or so forth. You’re going to connect to a character because you can see yourself in a character. For me it’s a touch of Mike and a touch of Abbey. Others connected to Lucy, some connect to Sandy, Some even connect to David. This is the mark of a good writer, to make the audience invested in the character and as such care about what happens to them enough to fight tooth and nail (or fang and claw to them furry lovers out there) to defend them.

buchanen_neket November 22, 2013, 12:37 AM EST.

Comment ID #267325

@Random dude

I live vicariously through the dramatic banter in the comments. Sometimes I get involved, and other times I like to watch the drama unfold. :love:

Either way, I like the conversations. Most people get into it, but they really don’t get cranky. (Cept for a few token people who cannot keep their tempers in check)

Lickit&stickit November 22, 2013, 12:41 AM EST.

Comment ID #267326

:P I am a loaded double barrel of rage with a hair trigger and walnut stock. Come get some.

buchanen_neket November 22, 2013, 12:45 AM EST.

Comment ID #267327

@buchanen_neket

Well I generally see Lucy as the more unfortunate victim even though they are both victims. I’ve been that person tugged along by a best friend that liked to tango the “What are we really to each other” line. It sucks. And frankly, it’s emotional abuse because you think maybe this time they might mean it. It’s confusing for sure. In love, everyone always starts out as an optimist.

All guys who I knew that did these sorts of things ended up with histories of cheating and being emotional manipulators for their own egos. I think Mike shows this behavior which is why he gets so upset when Lucy turns to other guys after his rejection. Even in this chapter when he argues about how far he might have gotten with Lucy. EGO. Big time. Giant egos makes for guys who have no idea how to treat women. (As evidenced by Mike’s rough treatment of Daisy, his back-and-forth yo-yo with Lucy, and his pedestal thing with Sandy which is also really unhealthy. Sandy can only fall from such a position because she is human.)

I’ve also been that person with emotional stresses that were out of my control to the point where you are short and irritable. It’s all in self-preservation because you keep people at arms length so that you can cope with your inner demons. And Lucy had a major right to be angry and insecure with all the “I like you, maybe not, maybe I just sub you for Sandy.”

Considering that Mike doesn’t really have a lot of redeemable characteristics that the other characters overflow with, I don’t pity him at all. Especially now. He doesn’t even really want to apologize. He just wanted to stop feeling guilty and he thought his friends would reassure him after telling the truth.

Mike helps people with homework, he saved Lucy (his friends all returned this in kind Paulo in the river, Lucy in the alley) and he’s “nice” as declared by the characters. I haven’t found much instances of this nice guy though. So, homework help and rescuing friends (which is what you ought to do to be decent when they also save your butt in sticky situations) does not make him nice. These are all traits that all the characters show as part of their friendship.

Lickit&stickit November 22, 2013, 12:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #267328

Well this took a turn i didn’t expect. I’ve said time and time again how badly i’ve wanted mike to get what’s comming to him. Wanted paulo so badly to punch him, because what mike said to lucy was just plain awful. But i’ve also said the main character lucy is kind of a bitch. Well ya she treated mike awfuly more times then mike did, but she’s bipolor and lashes at people when showing affection. I completly get where mike was comming from i just felt he could have just plain stood up to her instead of breaking her. Daisy in the begining hated lucy, she even questioned y people like her in the first place because she’s such a total bitch. Lucy grew on daisy, she got on with the fact that thats just how lucy is. What drove me crazy as a reader and a fan was how lucy acts like she never had any friends, only mike was there. Thats a load of bull! She had so many people around her who liked her. She felt it was just because she was pretty. Well that was part of it, but sue and daisy racheal tessa jessica, and the mute all hung out with her because they like her. She was never alone. She clearly had ishues, she had mike and thats all she needed and not having him destroyed her. If she had opened up to maby sue or daisy about the whole situation maby she wouldn’t be gone right now. They could have helped her and showed her that she’s not alone. I prey prey prey that she gets theripy in her absense and comes back like a badass! I want her to return and barly give mike the time of day that it drives him crazy. Mike a likeable straightman drove me nutts too, turning girls down left and right for his marysue in another town. DOUCHE. He should have played the field like paulo…well we all know how mind fragged paulo is with his actions lol. I just have a huge feeling that sandy will break it off with him and then all the girls who did like him wont anymore.

JustSomeCritic November 22, 2013, 12:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #267329

Lol, and the shipping continues..

God November 22, 2013, 1:00 AM EST.

Comment ID #267330

Am i supposed to feel bad?
I suppose i am. but i will rebuttal with the following…
If you are too much of a coward to stand up for your friends, than they arent your friends.
This says a lot of Daisy, which i applaud her for even if i still harbor bloody tides of rage for Mike.
He used to be my favoite, and i admired the way he stood by a friend even when she wasn’t the best person to deal with. But no one deserves to be told that no one loves them and that they all secretly hate her (talking about Lucy if it wasnt obvious).
I don’t care if your the meanest son of a bitch in the whole damn planet. Out there, is someone for you maybe they are even crazier then you are or maybe they make you see how much of an *** you are and you realize that its not who you want to be. But you are not alone, and knowing Mike used that against one of his best friends in the whole story, one of my favorite characters turned into a maniacal horror of a person. If i had sympathy left, it would be to these poor people hes manipulated.
Daisy’s right, Lucy wasn’t meant for him, but i would hate to see the one who completes that mangled soul.

Rawrz November 22, 2013, 1:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #267331

Haha, just in case, I wasn’t being literal. I was paraphrasing a movie.

Anyhow, I can see where you stand on the issue, I get it. However I don’t really think Mike is like that. Guys like that are usually the ones that always get what they want and play on a persons insecurities to get the girl he’s targeted. I had a few female friends when I was in high school that fell in with those types. I had to go pretty damn deep to drag their *** away from those types because they had twisted them around so bad into believing their bull. Made them believe **** like they would never get another guy like them or i’m the only one who treats you right. **** like that all the while abusing the hell out of them. My total before it was all over was two good ole boys in the hospital and one in intensive care. Granted it wasn’t only me doing the *** kicking, had a bit of a “squad” I guess you could call them for handling all sorts of operations in the country-side (some i’m not privy to discuss because they were pretty damn illegal).

buchanen_neket November 22, 2013, 1:05 AM EST.

Comment ID #267332

This may have been brought up before, I’ve no idea, but honestly Paulo to me represents Lucy’s fandom in a way. “Oh all that abuse was no big deal, Mike’s just being a pansy”, kinda like that. It’s good to see Daisy setting the record straight.

etyb November 22, 2013, 1:52 AM EST.

Comment ID #267333

Sometimes I have the feeling that Mike just freaks out over Lucys existence because she kinda made him get together with Sandy and now Mike cant stand it to have feelings for more than one girl, especially when kids were always harsh on him when they suspect cheating, like Paulos anti-cheater squad 8-D

Admit it Mike you ***, you still love Lucy! Mad Lucy

EvilKitty3 November 22, 2013, 2:11 AM EST.

Comment ID #267334

I love all of Daisy’s expression lol nice page~ I wonder what Mike’s thinking in the last panel?
“I didn’t think someone would actually defend me after I said all that, my defense mechanism worked!”
or
“Oh wow…Daisy’s on my side…*sweatdrop*”
or
” *guilt intensifies* Lucy wasn’t that bad really….”
~~~~~~~~
Anyways, I’ll share my thoughts that were brought up (again) cause of what Daisy said mainly.

The way I saw it was that Lucy was acting out against Mike because he liked her and she did too but didn’t want to admit it (she might not have known herself that that’s why she was being so mean to Mike, cause of her insecurities around him). Everyone was under the impression that’s why Lucy did those things (it’s kind of like watching two friends interact and being able to see their feelings from the sidelines) and that’s why no one ever told her to stop or took those actions as her true feelings. It’s not fair that now Daisy thinks it’s her fault things escalated into such a **** show. Mike is the one who should have told Lucy to stop if it was truly bugging him, which it seemed it wasn’t even a big deal to him until Sandy popped into the picture and started expressing how much she hated it. Granted, Lucy has always been a tomboy and has it in her head that it’s okay to fight, but she did not deserve the berating she received from Mike. She got the cold shoulder, got the hint that he didn’t like her attitude, was beginning to change and then Mike just grinds her under his foot (Knowing that she really isn’t a bad person inside). He was supposedly her best friend, we all thought he knew and understood her, understood why she called him jerkface, and just let her emotions get the best of her. Mike should have stopped her years ago, but he didn’t (because he liked her) and that is his own fault, no one elses. When you let someone get used to doing something and not getting firmly told it’s bad, then they think it’s alright to express themselves that way. It’s okay to tell them to stop, but Mike did so in a very bad way. So I don’t feel much remorse for him (I only feel bad cause he was really upset and just didn’t know what to do anymore)…I can’t help but feel bad for Lucy who hasn’t been good with making connections with others (and the few she did have, she lost hope in because of Mike’s rant).

((Also didn’t Lucy dislike Daisy in the beginning because of how annoyingly she crushed on Mike? And didn’t Daisy dislike Lucy in the beginning? Even as far as questioning how anyone could like her? I kinda feel like Daisy’s “Mikie” crush is the only reason why she is standing up for him…(even if she does have Abbey a.k.a Mr. Silver Medal) ))

So…I kinda hope they don’t all just start thinking “Well she deserved it” like it feels like Daisy might start doing, and not look at the whole picture. It would be nice if they could just both apologize, make up, and move on with their lives as friends together.

Tickled November 22, 2013, 2:39 AM EST.

Comment ID #267335

*Suddenly, Augustus walks in, sees what’s going on, and walks out.*

But, all jokes aside, Imana continue to stay neutral in this…
Debacle.
Most of everyone’s actions are somewhat justified, whether by emotions, impulses, shock, ETC.
Even if some are huge ******** *COUGH* MIKE *COUGH* (Sorry, I have a bad case of Verum Dici- Disease. I should take some Nyquil…) They aren’t worse people because of it.
There’s speaking insensitively, and then there’s intentionally being an *******. Mike is a bit of both.

I dunno what to put here November 22, 2013, 2:56 AM EST.

Comment ID #267336

Hardly a shocker from Daisy. She’s betrayed her intentions by how she describes her “friendship” with Lucy. She’s now one step closer to Mike, and with enough liquid courage she’s swooped in to show her value as a loyal lapdog. Sickening, but also very interesting!

These past few weeks have unblocked some significant hindrances to the story, and we’re finally seeing progress on the main plot. I’m more excited for this chapter than I’ve been in a long time.

Abbey’s bound to make an appearance in the next pages. So in order to gauge his reaction I reread “Rising Temperature” in Volume 1, and it’s surprisingly applicable to the present. Abbey’s going to think Mike’s a ****** friend for ignoring a friend in need, like he did with Daisy. The accusation that Mike has tunnel vision for his girlfriend and blinds himself to his secondary relationships still holds true. And let’s not forget the elephant in the room. Mike drove Lucy to an attempted suicide. That’s got to remind Abbey of his mother’s sudden disappearance because some self-centered ******* justifies their cruelty with excuses. Not to mention Abbey is possessive of Daisy getting too friendly with other guys. I don’t think he’s going to take this well. It’s not clear if he’ll side with Lucy because of her alleged “physical abuse”, but he’ll definitely side against Mike. Which will cause conflict with drunk Daisy. Which is awesome.

Solvek November 22, 2013, 3:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #267337

Honestly, with how everyone is saying how Mike doesn’t deserve all this hate, yeah I call a huge load. He doesn’t deserve this hate, he deserves a good massive beating, followed by being spat on and stomped to the ground. Yeah, yeah..blak..bla..blaa…They all messed up, so you can take that stupid record and drop it. I will STILL hate the **** out of Mike, frankly if he was a real life person, I’d make him sure this ******* was miserable every damn day, because I wouldn’t get enough satisfaction, since I had to deal with his “whaaa…whaaa…I’m a victim here! Someone hug mee!” garbage.

Kanashe November 22, 2013, 3:32 AM EST.

Comment ID #267338

Daisy, please come into the reality were I exist and be my best friend, girlfriend, wife, I don’t care. I love you to BITS. She’s SO adorable. She also has a point.

Lucy was a bitch to him his whole life. He didn’t deserve that. But, he still ignored her when she, honest and truly, needed him the most and just made up the excuse about this is all just masking feelings for him or Sandy this and Sandy that. He puts himself in these situations without knowing it sometimes. It’s his own fault a lot. He just has a problem of being a dick to his friends without realizing it ‘cause he basically just doesn’t want to deal with it. He thinks he’s being a good and censer friend when he’s being an ***-hat. He just needs to work on copping with having a long distance relationship and having friends at the same time or just dump them all and COMPLETELY focus on Sandy.

TwitchMan November 22, 2013, 3:47 AM EST.

Comment ID #267341

Daisy… why… i understand that Lucy was never meant to be with mike… but that could have ended a whole lot differently… why are you supporting this bastage… Mad Lucy

Necrozuka November 22, 2013, 4:37 AM EST.

Comment ID #267342

:/

HongKat November 22, 2013, 4:58 AM EST.

Comment ID #267344

Oooooooooh boy. Abbey pls#

#include November 22, 2013, 5:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #267345

Actually, Sandy also doesn’t know Lucy enough to tell him that too (for those that comment about similarities b/w Sandy and Daisy)

Petrotasia November 22, 2013, 6:33 AM EST.

Comment ID #267346

This page fills me with the warm fuzzies.

Steel Wings November 22, 2013, 6:35 AM EST.

Comment ID #267347

Daisy…….. Abbey might be mad right now, with complete Jelousy…

Paulo-fan November 22, 2013, 7:22 AM EST.

Comment ID #267348

Shaddap, Daisy. You’re friggin’ biased.

xox November 22, 2013, 7:49 AM EST.

Comment ID #267349

If Abbey would get mad and would hit Mike then Mike would probably just grab his hand just like the last time….. WAIT A MINUTE. Mike is drunk and Abbey isn’t :unsure:

And if Abbey gets mad :unsure:

RUN MIKE RUUUUNNNN D:

I hope it won’t happen. Hope that Abbey will at least listen first to what Daisy or Mike have to say :smirk:

Jonas97face November 22, 2013, 8:03 AM EST.

Comment ID #267351

Should have posted this long ago. Watch “Black Hawk Down-Let the bodies hit the floor” on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=RwhqqUc3irI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Blue fox November 22, 2013, 8:44 AM EST.

Comment ID #267352

Just realized everyone in panel 7 is wearing the color blue…like even the same shade haha.

hawaii5oxo November 22, 2013, 10:04 AM EST.

Comment ID #267353

Everybody, that last panel of Mike is GUILT, he doesn´t really believe his own words, and having someone stand up for him when he thought everyone would turn on him made him MORE guilty because now he is betraying his only friend by lying to her

HentMas November 22, 2013, 10:16 AM EST.

Comment ID #267354

@Zone
Hmmm to be honest I have no idea what happened. Though if she would try suicide (and by that I mean trying to kill herself, not trying to get some attention) than I guess she would do it on the rooftop.

@Jonas97face
Don’t worry, maybe he’ll hit Daisy instead.

@Lickit&stickit
After that comparison I was about to pull Joe Pesci’s “Goodfellas” number, but I’ll pass.

To be honest I think everyone made a mistake. But what really infuriates me is Mike’s behaviour afterwards.
One moment he’s being all >: ( and then he’s done, he’s mommy comes back, and he’s all like : 3. What the hell? Also: him being so sure everyone will support his decision, just because he’s such a great person, etc, etc.

Mike literally did nothing before to defend himself. Didn’t let her know it’s not alright, and never had a serious, sincere conversation with her about it. Nooo, she’s behaving bad, let’s drop her like a bag full of period stained tissues without any explanation! Right? And right afterwards let’s expect everyone to support this decission, since if they won’t they’re not real friends.

“One mistake”. Hardly.

@HentMas
Now he’ll turn on Daisy. Damn would it be awesome.

Commander_Zero November 22, 2013, 10:23 AM EST.

Comment ID #267355

Go ahead mike be mean to Daisy and see how fast Abbey and paulo punch you in the face and drop your *** on the floor. I don’t think mike will flip out on Daisy but he may.

Blue fox November 22, 2013, 11:13 AM EST.

Comment ID #267357

Hm. I have a feeling drunk Daisy is getting waaay too caught up in this. She’s going to say something she regrets. Or, something Abbey regrets.

Zott November 22, 2013, 11:39 AM EST.

Comment ID #267358

@Zott
Paulo already hurt *****-dog feelings, so yeah, I think this pleasant evening is heading this way. I’m not sure Abbey is comfortable with whole situation as it is now, though he had some time to get used to thought that he’s only Mike-equivalent.

Commander_Zero November 22, 2013, 11:53 AM EST.

Comment ID #267359

@commander_zero
If I remember correctly, Abbey didn’t approve of Mike being cold to Lucy, although that was a while back. He’ll probably think the same way now, and with Daisy literally throwing herself all over Mike, there’s bound to be some controversy between the two. I’ve been thinking this for a while, and this really isn’t going to end well for AbbeyxDaisy. Which is a shame, really. They were by far the sturdiest relationship going on in the comic.

Zott November 22, 2013, 12:00 PM EST.

Comment ID #267360

**** this is getting really good :P

Moon November 22, 2013, 12:02 PM EST.

Comment ID #267446

Secret 10th panel at the bottom right. Abbey giving Mike a glare saying “I’m gonna ****ing kill you! Mad Lucy

Chiba November 22, 2013, 1:53 PM EST.

Comment ID #267594

I don’t know why everyone is plummeting their comments against Mike. Daisy really knows the real Mike is a good guy and we can all agree on how brutal Lucy was on him since the beginning of grade school. Ever since then, Lucy has progressed little by little, and a big realization after their vacation, but that doesn’t cover all the damage you’ve dealt on Mike. How would you have some stalker girl throwing insults and punches at you? I know this is just a comic, but everyone, that was just a low blow.

Flamessnake November 23, 2013, 12:25 AM EST.

Comment ID #267615

I think Mike began to sober up… oh well.

As for Daisy, I love you and you’re very adorable, but your jealousy is kind of getting in the way. Yes, Lucy’s violent, but we all know she needs help. What I mean is, if you stood up to Lucy, she’d get defensive. She also has low self-esteem Daisy, not just you. Though she tends to show it the wrong way. Paulo… well… it’s Paulo. What’d you expect? *sigh*

And you did tell Mike Lucy doesn’t deserve him! Remeeembeeer? *ehem*finalfantasycat*ehem* But he pushed you awaaay. So yeah, you did tell him Daisy! ^_^ Well… wonder what’s going to happen next. :x

It would be much of my happiness if Mike’s ringtone suddenly goes off and Sandy calls. Now that would add more dramaaa~! 8-D

Anonymousx101 November 23, 2013, 8:02 AM EST.

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