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Lolly November 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Jonas97face November 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
Paulo is sad
sen November 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
You know, I’m wonding if Mike will change from the experience and discussion.
Kodak November 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
sounds like something i would say
kitsu November 12, 2013, 1:00 PM EST.
kami November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
They need this.
Liust November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Mariasona November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
lol paulos a big freaking baby
jeezzzzzzz November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
I just want to give Paulo a hug! Rach hug him already!!
triplepants33 November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Damn people you’re so fast!!
And **** Mike when are you gonna confess?
KittyKat14 November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
Paulo: “Wait, mention anything about what?”
TBlackfeet November 12, 2013, 1:01 PM EST.
That Lucy impression.
Nomani November 12, 2013, 1:02 PM EST.
C’mon drunk Mike, punch drunk Paulo. You owe ‘im one.
Shiloh November 12, 2013, 1:03 PM EST.
It looks like Mike’s scared that what he did may have already gotten out. If he confesses to what he did, and tells everyone just what he told Lucy (Calling her a parasite and the such, and about all her friends leaving her for him) Two things will happen. They will forgive him. Or it will ALL blow up in his face and the reverse will happen. Though there is the possibility that they will ignore him and make up at a later date as well.
Rokushion November 12, 2013, 1:04 PM EST.
Crush his spirits Paulo c:
roguish-skullduggery November 12, 2013, 1:05 PM EST.
Paulo’s impersonation of Lucy is almost as perfect as Daisy’s.
Sono November 12, 2013, 1:06 PM EST.
Hey will change, He will find that he loves her, But it will be too late, He pushed her away beyond Damage. She has become sickly ill from his poisonous rejection. She wants him too be happy with sandy but dose not want too be awake/alive too see it.
I prey she will get out of this funk and move on from him, see him for a friends, Love that gripping black heart he has on her (not saying he is forcing it on her)
I just prey for both that, Mike will feel her pain he caused. I prey she Heals too move on in her life(and too see her again ;-;)
Sanchan November 12, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.
They are passing through different stages of drunk quite quickly, already had rowdy, sad, angry and now depressed by the looks of it. It must be odd for the people at the party who don’t now the group watching this.
Chrisd765 November 12, 2013, 1:08 PM EST.
Paulo implying that Mike is an ******* because he’s focused on someone else despite Lucy’s interest
Paulo being focused on someone else despite Rachel’s interest
I know it’s different, but Paulo, you goof.
Plusook November 12, 2013, 1:10 PM EST.
I wonder if drunken Paulo will realize Mike just dropped a big clue there.
That said I wonder how Mike feels knowing even Paulo could see how much disdain he had for Lucy. Back in December he was 100% certain everyone would side with him, even almost relished the thought. Now that defining point has come, and Mike’s now learned that, in fact, other people bar him actually cared about her, and miss her. How badly he called that, and to maybe realize that Lucy wasn’t quite the lonely parasite he had painted in his head.
Whatever Paulo and Lucy actually did before the play…I guess Paulo came away knowing he still couldn’t top Mike. This sucks for Rachel, but at least it gives her more insight into what the deal was with Lucy, Mike and Paulo.
jennytablina November 12, 2013, 1:13 PM EST.
“that kinda *******” huh…
ShadowFromNorth November 12, 2013, 1:15 PM EST.
He needs pity sex from Rachel. xD
Fluffy November 12, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.
Rachel isn’t Lucy, she won’t break that easy. Besides, Paulo isn’t trying to break her, he appreciates all of her support. It’s not his fault he can’t focus on her. You know that kind of crush when you ignore everyone but your crush, even though you don’t mean to? It’s not the same as hurting the others on purpose.
Nikary November 12, 2013, 1:17 PM EST.
I bet Paulo knows more than he admits, right there he told things Lucy could easylie tell him when she was upsad at his place but wouldn’t want him to tell anyone that she told him that so he says it as if hes guessing… just saying
EvilKitty3 November 12, 2013, 1:24 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket (On other page)
I really ought to not even bother responding to that considering you are always incapable of making an point without personal slams on who you are talking to. It gets old fast and really distracts from your point.
I know the instance I was thinking about particularlly when Mike was slamming her face into the snow before he confessed. There are also other instances earlier on where Mike kicks his friends, like yashy (http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c2/p1.html), David (http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c13/p4.html) or Daisy (who he shoves hard often) http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c33.1/ p1.html. But even more than that, he also provokes Lucy by insulting her nearly every time she hit him.
Actually, peering back through the comic reveals that everyone beats the crap out of eachother. Lucy is more frequent, but they all did it.
Lickit&Stickit November 12, 2013, 1:25 PM EST.
OOOOOOOH This it bad! (Heavy of TF2)
Mr-Hero-Bio November 12, 2013, 1:26 PM EST.
OH GOD CONFESS ALREADY! It needs to be known soon or later and it’s been too much time already.
Also, Paulo, poor thing ;___; ♥
Jerkface November 12, 2013, 1:28 PM EST.
Are…are they going to kiss?
SIGxMUNDx808 November 12, 2013, 1:29 PM EST.
@Sanchan, Oh, Sanchan, your words would be more poignant if you had a better grasp on grammar, spelling, and general punctuation/capitalization rules…
bluebullet November 12, 2013, 1:30 PM EST.
The tension has gone away…
Tiido November 12, 2013, 1:31 PM EST.
The_Time_Hunter November 12, 2013, 1:35 PM EST.
Taeshi you read our minds.
Steampunkgirl November 12, 2013, 1:36 PM EST.
……I could really care less about what’s going on at this point.
DeathofInk November 12, 2013, 1:38 PM EST.
Well that took an interesting turn.
Keyblade Dragon November 12, 2013, 1:42 PM EST.
Um. You know, when Paulo punched Mike earlier, I thought it was because he knew about Mike’s “parasite” speech. While I think violence wasn’t the best response, I still had some respect for Paulo for it.
But now? No.
Paulo punched Mike because Mike didn’t like Lucy and wouldn’t return her affections? Paulo was mad because she never got over Mike? My respect for Paulo is dissipating so quickly…..
On top of that, you’re kinda proving Mike’s point, Paulo-
All these feels….I’m feeling pretty uneasy.
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 1:48 PM EST.
@Kodak Nah, they’ll just blackout after this convo and wake up with massive memory draining hangovers >:-)
BetaMonkey November 12, 2013, 1:49 PM EST.
Hurry up and give us a positive shocker already!
I'll Eat Yourself November 12, 2013, 1:50 PM EST.
You know, I really hadn’t noticed. I mean, I was well aware that everyone joined in on a mutual beatdown….but I discounted Mike for whatever reason. Freakin Mike.
The uncomfortable feels continue…erk.
EDIT: Also this: http://askbcb.tumblr.com/post/66575323071
Why were we all so blind before?!
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 1:52 PM EST.
mike, confess that you do love her still
Phillip November 12, 2013, 1:58 PM EST.
Because ******** have variety, don’t discriminate!
Hawz November 12, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
Sure, it’s definitely different. And I think it was wrong of Mike to yell at Lucy. But ultimately, Lucy being interested in him or not isn’t -his- responsibility. I’m not saying Paulo is an *******, I’m just saying that he’s silly for saying Mike is one.
Plusook November 12, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
Mike haters, GTFO! Mike lovers, GFTO!
Mike needs this. He needs to realize this. I don’t think he truly understands, yet.
TheXtreme(YM) November 12, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
The author intended the first pages to be almost like a slapstick anime slice-of-life I think. It got really easy to wave off anytime anyone was hitting anyone. But now if we are supposed to assume all hits aren’t nice, we need to hold everyone else accountable. Including Mike and the others and not just throw Lucy under the bus for something they ALL do to each other.
A LOT of those hits from everyone involved negative reactions with band-aids despite what @buchanen_neket thinks it being only Lucy.
Lickit&Stickit November 12, 2013, 2:06 PM EST.
This is some kind of weird love triangle stuff right here
Justadude November 12, 2013, 2:09 PM EST.
@Lickit&Stickit: I know that’s how it started out, but once blame started flying, I kinda went back, reread the whole thing, and looked for it. The thing is, I really only looked for Lucy, because she’s the only one who got any canon blame.
Come to think of it, that’s probably where a lot of Lucy-hate came from in the first place. So I’m kinda really hoping that point is brought up at an opportune moment by one of the characters.
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 2:12 PM EST.
Feelings, drama, sure this is a “happy hour” xD lets go mike, confess all the true!
eagle November 12, 2013, 2:14 PM EST.
For all we know Mike is just going to hide it and hold it in for as long as possible until he cracks and bursts. The only way for him to admit, it appears, is if he’s pressured to an extent. Right now, he’s almost there. Just a couple more pushes, and he will admit.
*grumbles* -unlesstaeshiwantstoleaveushangingfortheupteenthti meinarow…- >3>
ResidentEddy November 12, 2013, 2:18 PM EST.
this is interesting, remember mike had a memory while dancing with Lucy on the play were she asked him if he ever wanted to get married. how did Paulo even guess that one
robyn November 12, 2013, 2:18 PM EST.
Awwwwww Paulo you so TSUNDERE!
Blue fox November 12, 2013, 2:25 PM EST.
Don’t worry, Mike.
Just drink a few more beers, continue to suppress your real emotions, and put on a happy face.
Everything will be all right…everything will be allllll riiiiiiiight…
Blank On Purpose November 12, 2013, 2:25 PM EST.
Lucy did have the most hits, but their were plenty of other scraps going on that were not drawn friendly. It just sets my opinion on how much Mike overreacted. Even when the punches stopped from the entire gang during the arc where the color was computerized, when punches were considered abuse, he blows off the handle at Lucy.
Mike wasn’t as much of a hitter compared to the others but I did notice he was an emotional abuser. Constantly shutting down Daisy in the cruelest manner possible, that nasty fight with Abbey and scraps with Paulo, and picking on Lucy then mistaking her for Sandy despite leading her on through that entire year. It’s no wonder she’s crazy.
Lickit&Stickit November 12, 2013, 2:27 PM EST.
“He will change; he will find that he loves her. But it will be too late- he pushed her away beyond all reparable damage. She has become sickly, ill from his poisonous rejection. She wants him to be happy with Sandy, but does not want to be awake/alive to see it.
I pray she will get out of this funk and move on from him; to see him for a friend, to love that gripping, black heart he has on her(I’m not saying he is forcing it on her).
I just pray for both, that Mike will feel her pain that he caused. I pray she heals to move on in her life(and that we’ll see her again )”
Just think of me as your editor, hon (took some artistic license here, just trying to guess at the message )
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 2:28 PM EST.
Paulo Now = 50% of The comments section after 10 seconds to midnight
(the other 50% of the people either cheered rambuxiosly (anti-Lucy x Mike people or just anti Lucy people) or winced while nodding (those who understood mikes position but though it was a little harsh))
Misanthrope November 12, 2013, 2:28 PM EST.
I’ve definitely always noticed Mike’s emotional and mental abuse. That’s why I was just a Mike-hater for a while, and I’m still an anti-MikeXLucy shipper.
I kinda noticed that that’s how Lucy’s family is. She has two older brothers, which (to me) explains the roughhousing and tomboyishness.
And this reaction: http://www.bittersweetcandybowl.com/c61/p3.html
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 2:34 PM EST.
Well someones bitter.
starfighter105 November 12, 2013, 2:36 PM EST.
Maybe you should pick your wording better then ” Mike beat her up nearly as often as she did.” Her, as in lucy, not one of those pages showed Mike beating up Lucy and by beating up i don’t mean a playful shove or a light tap. Only two of those pages showed Mike hitting someone hard(couldn’t look at one of them because it pops a 404 error). One being David, WHICH HE APOLOGIZED FOR DOING (unlike a certain white cat that knocked the **** out of people and didn’t bother apologizing for it). The other Yashy, yeah that’s kind of hard to argue. It’s definitely cartoony, but because assumption goes both way yeah that had to ****ing hurt. Downside of a faulty retcon, i guess, sorry Taeshi.
However, it still stands that Lucy was the most abusive and seemed to be the target of the retcon. So I’m soooo sorry if you disagree, but it was made to point out the issue in her character, thus i have to defend mike as it was explicitly pointed out how much damage he’s taken over the years. Until we see a chapter that makes mike also an abusive A-hole, instead of a kid who lost his cool after years of abuse, then i’m not likely to agree with all the ideas of karmatic retribution or that Mike even deserves punishment because personally i felt that that chapter had one huge purpose (outside of retconning the past chapters). Karmatic retribution on Lucy.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 2:37 PM EST.
Right on the mark Paulo, lol.
I wonder what is Rachel’s take on this? I mean, they did just turn her birthday party into a drama fest, not everyone’s willing to tolorate that (which is why I love her so much!). At least now she is starting to understand more about the situation with Lucy. Will she keep holding down her feelings for Paulo’s sake, or will she break it off before either of them gets hurt? I hope neither, i want them to have lots of kitty-puppies one day, if that’s even possible in this universe ;A;
Furthermore, did Sue leave to puke again?
Yelikarts November 12, 2013, 2:39 PM EST.
I don’t think this is “Happy” hour anymore…
Insanitybreach November 12, 2013, 2:42 PM EST.
Ho ho ho Paulo, I think Mike’s had his comeuppance now. He feels rightfully shamed. I think that’s about all the shaming he really needs though since obviously it hit straight home along with all the previous stuff. I think I’m satisfied that Mike’s karma has gone back to neutral.
Macca November 12, 2013, 2:42 PM EST.
I have a feeling that Mike might slip up and confess without meaning to.
Random dude November 12, 2013, 2:49 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket: I’m a good mediator, let me mediate for ya!
By “Mike beat her up nearly as often as she did,” you’re right that this is incorrect….physically. However, Lucy beat Mike up physically as often as Mike beat Lucy up emotionally. I believe that’s the point @Lickit&Stickit was trying to make; at least, that’s what I got out of it.
Physical abuse isn’t okay. I mean, they didn’t really discuss this as kids, and what they know now is really just what they remember. Memories are distorted by current situation. Back then, it really was slapstick humor, both ways, and they shoulda discussed it like adults when it went too far.
Emotional abuse isn’t okay. We’ve been pretty clear about how they’ve hurt each other over the years, and how that keeps resurfacing. But honestly, Mike was emotionally scarring her way back into her childhood. They coulda discussed this like adults too, but they are still kids. What can you really expect?
Mike cracked under years of physical abuse. Lucy cracked under years of emotional abuse.
At this point, can we just agree that they really aren’t good for each other?
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 2:50 PM EST.
You just have to imagine what Rachel is going through right now. I mean her supposed boyfriend is over here spiling his guts over another girl and she isn’t reacting like most would. I.e. all ****** off and foaming at the mouth. I’m guessing that she’s ether about to go off or she is most forgiving girlfriend ever. -_-
Damage November 12, 2013, 2:54 PM EST.
I have no problem doing the agree to disagree and yeah i would agree except the conclusion of @Lickit&Stickit’s comment was to make a point about how physically abusive Mike was. However i agree that Mike is guilty of a bit of emotional yoyoing. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it abuse as he didn’t deliberately act to hurt Lucy’s emotions (save for december when he was lashing out). The biggest issue that pushed me off on this tangent was all the people saying “why all the Lucy hate” as if it was an inverse of December (where i “sharpened my fangs”, as it were, on this site’s comment section). It’s not really, I’d say it’s more balanced now, but some act like that if anyone defends Mike or takes a shot at Lucy then “Oh mah gawd, why are you picking on the poor white kitty”. Screw that, nobody’s picking on Lucy, they just don’t agree with the opinion that lucy was some sort of saint that didn’t deserve any of what she got (she didn’t deserve the yelling or some of the things mike said, but she did need to be told off).
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 3:01 PM EST.
Yeah mike you’re such an ******* for not cheating on your girlfriend with somebody who treated you like crap for years! What a jerk.
Also it’s pretty obvious Paulo doesn’t give a damn about Rach - happy birthday Rach, have the guy you like moping about the girl who slapped, kicked, insulted and ran too when she needed support - but hey she’s hot so she’s forgiven for everything.
Wingo November 12, 2013, 3:02 PM EST.
2: no Paulo your being that kind of a-hole cuz you knew mike would say “did she actually mention that?”
3: I forgot to say last page: I don’t remember either of those things happening
4: I cant wait till mike says something like “I actually do like lucy” or whateverrrrrr
mushrooms :D November 12, 2013, 3:03 PM EST.
I dont have enough popcorn for this!
Jaime November 12, 2013, 3:18 PM EST.
please make out the sexual tension is too much
KiraDood5 November 12, 2013, 3:27 PM EST.
Yeah, she needed a wake-up call to how Mike was feeling, but I don’t believe anyone deserves to be called an unlovable, friendless, parasite. Especially when she already had those insecurities. She certainly wasn’t a saint, though.
However, I don’t agree that it was just a bit of emotional yoyo-ing. I mean, that was the whole point of this chapter:
I’m just saying, no one tries to kill themselves over a little emotional give-and-take.
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 3:30 PM EST.
How ‘bout this? Lucy was wrong. Mike was MORE wrong. And Paulo just wanted the best for Lucy, which he thought was Mike. All that’s left is to wait for the characters to let out their violently ignorant frustrations towards each other and see how it all turns out.
Now, let’s all just hug it out and be friends m’kay? |D
Turanis November 12, 2013, 3:40 PM EST.
Paulo is going up.
tabby November 12, 2013, 3:51 PM EST.
Well Mike ol’ buddy I think it’s about time for you toengage in a little honesty. Not with everyone at the party, you’re not ready for that, but you have to admit some things to yourself.
Think about the timeline of recent events:
1) Mike and Lucy are friends; for goor or ill, bad moods and good, you are there for eachother. Saving her in the river, the alley-behind-the-bar brawl, the trip to Acapulco, those were major punctuations but c’mon man, really, looking at things you had a lot more good times than bad.
2) A wild Sandy appears! Itself not a harmful event, but with her came some major changes in your behavior. Again this is not always a bad thing, but you have to keep in mind that things weren’t exactly bad before, otherwise it could look like Lucy was abusive (to a certain extent she was, but she uses it to both show affection and defend herself, and usually that line seems pretty thin)
3) Sandy makes her opinion on Lucy known… with you having your head so tightly wrapped around her and wanting to see things from her perspective (believe me, I’ve been there), you forgot to keep in mind the one opinion that matters most: yours. Wanting to make Sandy happy and go along with her thoughts is a natural consequence of having her as a girlfriend, but you can’t forget that your thoughts and feelings before she came around (back?) still count.
4) December. That was a massive Charley-Foxtrot if I ever saw one. Just gonna leave that can of psychological worms alone for now…
5) Lucy Dissappears. The exact exchange and nuance (anyone catch that reference?) of what lead up to this is a very complicated matter, too much I would say to be able to point a finger at any one person involved, but you have already realized that you are at least partly responsible for what happened.
All speculation about what will come in the future aside, you can at least take one silver lining of a lesson away from this and hopefully realize how important your own perspective should be and not to allow yourself to be so easily swayed (even by a pair of swaying model-hips).
Since long posts like this, I have noticed, tend to be followed by many back-and-forth comments on the personal nature of the poster, I will say a little about myself: I am older than I would care to admit while still reading this but it is addictive; I relate to Mike because in many aspects of his story I’ve been there, and I have thought from the beginning that Mike and Lucy make a better couple than Mike and Sandy or Lucy and Paulo or any other combination, mostly because they understand eachother the best; maybe not so much lately, but that’s because of Sandy (notice I did not say it is Sandy’s fault, I draw an important distinction there).
Anon November 12, 2013, 3:55 PM EST.
lucy is the best character ever! bring her back or else!
awsomesawsome November 12, 2013, 3:58 PM EST.
Heck, Paulo won that first round easy
Pyro November 12, 2013, 4:00 PM EST.
Housey November 12, 2013, 4:01 PM EST.
Mike… Isn’t a very good judge of character, is he?
Dragnite November 12, 2013, 4:14 PM EST.
Mikes response is going to be to start barking at Paulo.
Matt November 12, 2013, 4:15 PM EST.
CONFESS! CONFESS! CONFESS! LET EVERYONE HEAR THE TRUTH!
That Reader November 12, 2013, 4:20 PM EST.
Paulo just roasted mike!!!!
Fire November 12, 2013, 4:51 PM EST.
Their cheeks are starting to look less red so I can only assume their sobering up but all the cards are on the table now…Or at least Paulo’s guessed them all anyway…
Tealjoy November 12, 2013, 4:54 PM EST.
Note i said some of it. Those were the ones that i meant. Anywho, I don’t consider that a sign of emotional abuse. Remember our narrator into the past is Mike in that chapter, before he talked to Sandy. This was back when he was Mr. world-on-his-shoulders and basically was in a situation where he was Lucy’s babysitter and was basically responsible for her otherwise the others would have his ***. So of course his memory was skewed to make anything that happened in the past automatically his fault. That chapter really more made it more clear of his mentality.
As for the last part of your comment, I’m going to have to disagree and leave it at that because i don’t want to get into a huge debate on that subject. Everyone blames Mike for her attempt but suicide isn’t that simple and it takes more than one *** chewing to make a person go over the edge. That is all, i’m not opening that can of worms any further.
The thing is, they were both equally in the wrong, M’kay. Abuse is bad, M’kay? It doesn’t matter the type of abuse.
That bad Mr. Mackey impersonation out of the way, yeah objectively i feel they both equally screwed the pooch, but personally i feel that lucy was more in the wrong as she caused more damage to Mike not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically (the emasculation effect of getting your butt kicked by a girl on a daily basis can’t be good for Mike masculine side or his confidence).
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 5:02 PM EST.
Poor Rachel, she should be enjoying her birthday. Instead she’s taking time away from her party in order to listen, so the group can get whatever they need off their chests.
Riiah November 12, 2013, 5:10 PM EST.
Aaand of course, Mikes first reaction to Paulo confirming that Lucy did in fact love him was to check if his lying,back-stabbing, sociopathic *** was still covered
B-Dawg November 12, 2013, 5:11 PM EST.
*Facepalm* he didn’t ask to cover his ***. It really is news to him. He was asking if she mentioned to paulo that she had feelings for him. He was curious because he didn’t realize that, remember (at least from what i saw) she had only confessed to him to cause problems between him and Sandy from his POV. So he was wondering if she really had said that to a third party because he thought that she didn’t like him and only hung around him to cause him pain, but if she had said it to a third party then it would mean his opinion of her was wrong.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 5:22 PM EST.
Too bad we didn’t get to see any of the emasculation effects you mentioned, but yes, this is was his main problem with Lucy. And no, it’s not like her confidence was shattered, everything is about supposedly destoyed masculine confidence of Mike. What is even masculine confidence? Why not call that a regular confidence?
weasel November 12, 2013, 5:23 PM EST.
reread what i said, i pointed to two different effects of emasculation. 1) is his masculine side and 2) was a shot to his confidence. Look at all the chapters before he talked to sandy and you can see the effect. He blamed himself for ANYTHING that happened to Lucy, he was a bloody wreck still when he finally did meet Sandy. There are other examples but i’d rather you go look back at all the times he was showing a lack of confidence.
But to clarify, a Male’s masculine side is what denotes his behaviour, mentality, and attitudes. I.e. the Alpha male mentality would be part of that, another part of that would be chivalry as some are still raised up to follow that mentality. Etc and so forth. Technically there is such a thing as masculine confidence. It’s basically how a male views themselves in the opinion of their image in terms of how they believe a male should look, act, and think. For instance i was raised that a male should have a hairy chest, grow a beard, and should always stand as the protector of his significant other (and to a severely lesser extent that the male should be the bread winner). However in today’s modern world that’s not the case because apparently the viewpoint is that a male should be smooth and do whatever a woman says like a ****ing dog.
And i’m going to stop there before i get more riled up on that subject.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 5:35 PM EST.
Poor Rachel, all this talk of Lucy and she’s just listening quietly
Kidhate November 12, 2013, 5:55 PM EST.
An excellent point, speaks to the idea that Mike is trying to be what he thinks Sandy wants him to be, someone who has the same opinion she does about Lucy.
On a side note, I don’t think that Mike and Sandy have good odds of lasting because of not only this, but also because the only reason he waited around so long is because he had this idealized photograph of Sandy from when she left in the 3rd grade that he put on a pedastal. Sure they wrote and started talking on the phone and even met a couple times, but that ideal of his couldn’t possibly be the reality. How well would he really know her? He’s seen Lucy at her best and at her worst, and all he knows of Sandy is what she’s willing to tell him and what little he got from their short interaction. Although I have to say her turning out to be a model does seem to uphold his fantasy about her…
Anon November 12, 2013, 5:55 PM EST.
I think you put too much of your story into the Mike’s story. He was just a kid when he met Sandy and wasn’t a wreck then? Unless we read a different comic.
weasel November 12, 2013, 5:58 PM EST.
*head desk* Wrong “met sandy”, weasel. I’m not talking flashback, i mean just a bit ago.
Ehhh, i think it’s 60/40 that they stay together at this point. It seems weird that such a relationship would be possible but we really haven’t seen anything that would denote a possible rift between the two starting to form. If it was just that Mike had an idealistic vision of Sandy and that was the basis of the relationship then we would have already seen a rift starting to form. Also isn’t there a saying like “Waiting makes the heart grow fonder” or something like that.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 6:02 PM EST.
Well, looks like the feels are gonna be hurts today!
Mcturtle November 12, 2013, 6:16 PM EST.
I could see that, but how much will she have changed in the intervening years that isn’t exactly up to his ideal? He’s already been let down by her schedule (not really her fault), but she’s not going to be the same girl he remembers and I don’t think he’s going to absolutely LOOOOOOVE everything about her once he finds it out. Maybe I’m a little cynical though…
Anon November 12, 2013, 6:16 PM EST.
It takes an ******* to recognize another *******
Red November 12, 2013, 6:19 PM EST.
Again, since they’ve already met in person and have been talking to each other, IF the relationship from Mike’s side was based on some vision of how she is then we would have already started seeing a divide between the two or at least signs of doubt forming from Mike. My memory is a bit shoddy, but didn’t Sandy smack him at one point, from there we would already see signs of doubt forming or we should. However that hasn’t seemed to appear from Mike, that’s why i’m still giving it a better than average chance because there has to be something more otherwise after that smack you would see the rift starting to form because that would shatter is idealistic image of Sandy.
Basically there has to be something more than “the perfect woman” image keeping the spark alive in Mike otherwise the relationship would have dissolved by now.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 6:22 PM EST.
Don’t be so dramatic, just because I was mislead, it happens, okay?
Well, when they (Mike&Sandy) met last time he wasn’t a wreck too. He seemed more of a ‘wreck’ to me when they talked by the phone, but still got everything pretty much together. Of course he shouldn’t blame himself when Lucy choose to hit him, but he quickly stopped doing that. He got a great support from Sandy too. I don’t know, ‘wreck’ is such a heavy word and I got the feeling that only person truly wrecked was Lucy.
weasel November 12, 2013, 6:29 PM EST.
Can’t help but wonder what that would be… I can hear the snickering in the back of my head, but they hardly ever meet so it can’t be anything physical other than attraction, and that wouldn’t last either… should be interesting should @Taeshi ever delve further into the workings of their relationship. After all, there’s a reason that long-distance relationships seldom work out.
Anon November 12, 2013, 6:33 PM EST.
That’s your opinion, you have yours and i have mine. I believe that Mike is (or rather was as he seems to be rebuilding his confidence more and more) a wreck. It’s not that obvious but it’s just a vibe i’ve gotten from him until lately, roughly about the point he started talking to sandy again is when he seems to slowly have a build in confidence again.
Why’d you have to go implying stuff, now i can hear the bow chicka wow wow going in my head now. Anyhow yeah i doubt it’s physical because you’re right that would be another dissolving factor.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 6:38 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket Actually I am the one doing a face palm, try re-reading the page and you might notice the lines.
Paulo: You didn’t even like her.
Mike:Did she mention anything about THAT?
My point was based on the fact that all he did was worry that Lucy told Paulo about the December incident. When Mike says ‘about that’ he is referring to Paulos remark that he didn’t even like Lucy not the ‘not over you’ part.
B-Dawg November 12, 2013, 7:02 PM EST.
Well this is nice… happy birthday by the way Rachel. Ya know, that special day, where you’re supposed to be the center of attention? … Sigh… Ah well…
I’m actually not angry at any of them right now. They’re drunk… as a general rule you don’t make good decisions when you’re drunk, or do smart things. I am sorry for Rachel though. Hope she gets to enjoy herself, and NOT have to spend the whole freaking rest of the day worried about somebody else’s emotional problems.
Allsmiles November 12, 2013, 7:12 PM EST.
wow, lots of ppl keep overestimate Lucys situation. Despite her hitting ppl mostly in volume 1 (and barely in other volumes) that was ment as slapstick she has a good side aswell and can show she cares about ppl and even feels sorry or tries to be nice even when she puts up pretending that she doesn’t care.
Shes a tough girl and im sure that despite her depression she knows what shes doing and will be fine.
I cant really side with Mike in any way because he didn’t show in no way he would wish for Lucy happiness like she did for him. He instead went even more hateful towards her and despite showing tears and all, I don’t think he learned enough lesson and wouldn’t change the way he mentally abused her even if she came right now into the room
Paulo may have messed up couple of times but he atleast doesn’t hate her. You tell him boy!
EvilKitty3 November 12, 2013, 7:35 PM EST.
Ooouuuu,DISSED.Good on you Paulo,stand up to mike for Lucy!
Speed of sound November 12, 2013, 7:48 PM EST.
ok, so mike is an ******* for staying loyal to his girlfriend… and paulo is admired by everyone and loved despite him letting lucy almost get raped, and cheating on every girl he ever showed interest in.
ok, kids, you want respect?
well, just be the absolute worst abomination you can be!
people supporting paulo should be shot.
Thanatos November 12, 2013, 7:49 PM EST.
Pray tell, did you even read what I specifically wrote to you in the previous page? Or did you just ignore it and repeated yourself in a different page? Well, here it is, a copy and paste. Sorry everyone for the repeat.
“May I remind you that when Lucy was in danger of being raped or molested, Paulo was the first to react. The problem was his phobia, which was triggered in a rather brutal matter. Are you really blaming him for not doing anything when he COULDN’T do anything? Phobias when triggered could send the person into shock and psychological break down. Paulo at that moment was experiencing an enormous distress, big enough to make him shut down his normal functions and go into total panic. Saying that he didn’t lift a finger is like saying that the soldier with post-traumatic stress should suck it up while in a military museum. Who cares that he saw people die with that tank in display? He’s crying and disrupting other people. You might not say that it’s not the same thing, but the point is that they were both scarred mentally and this scar might open up into a wound in certain circumstances, disallowing them to function properly.
Also, I know that this sounds strange but Paulo never officially “cheated.” He slept with a couple of girls (what, around two of them? I can’t remember), true, but they were both USING him and seduced him. He never went behind a girl’s back whilst dating them. Whenever he slept with someone he was never in a relationship like with Jasmine or Tess. Even then the only reason now that he is/was banging Rachel (we don’t even know if it’s even frequent or not) is because she offered up sex as a comfort and seeing this as the only comfort being offered at the time, he took or is even still taking it. If he was a “cheating coward” why would he advise Daisy not to do anything sexual? He said it complicates things and he learned from his mistakes. If he was really a complete manwhore, he would be egging her on and then offering to join in as you make him out to be an animal trying to score with anyone. ” Also, the only girl he ever showed real interest in (to be in a relationship with) is Lucy. All the other “interests” was from the influence of peer pressure from David.
Also, please present your evidence when you’re replying to me. I hate to think that all the answers I’d get would be “he’s an abomination and deserves to die.” If you question me on any of my opinions, you can be sure that I’ll have the evidence to back it up. It’s just a courtesy that you do the same.
Tylord November 12, 2013, 7:57 PM EST.
I changed my view on the type of the abuse after re-reading the comic. I did definitely see a lot of abuse from ALL characters. Not just Lucy. I noticed the reason why I saw it as a back and forth was because Mike said a lot of verbally demeaning things to provoke Lucy which she’d respond with a hit on the head and “jerk”. I wouldn’t call a constant vanilla name-calling like that as emotional abuse when you compare it to Mike’s volumes of damage to Lucy’s mental condition. Ironically, you find it okay that Mike “doesn’t mean it” when he abuses her emotionally, but Lucy MUST mean it when she abuses physically. (Despite seeing that she has this habit with everyone and they all beat up each other)
But I don’t see much point in talking further on the issue due to your constant admiration with Mike’s decision to put someone down enough to drive them deeper into their depression. And general denial that Mike’s negative influence for months wasn’t the large reason for why she did it. I honestly find your whole view on the matter a little disturbing.
Especially after Lucy is not seen abusing Mike after her talk with Zachary, but we see him tearing down her emotions and confidence at every chance he gets for a good estimated twenty chapters. I’d wager more like thirty if you include his hatred rants and general denial towards her current predicament. Lucy isn’t perfect, but her hitting habit doesn’t make her deserve the emotional manipulation he has put her through since childhood.
I do find it very interesting that, you immediately paired this “Who abused more” element with a statement on your personal view of masculinity. Almost as if Lucy needed this masculine shouting match to be put in her place as opposed to Mike being softer and actually talking to her about it. Which he hasn’t ever done.
Lickit&stickit November 12, 2013, 8:12 PM EST.
Please don’t let Mike+Lucy die! Also, um, don’t let Lucy actually die haha. Pleeeeaaaaase!
Also, I hope I sense an undertone of JEALOUSY in Mike’s voice??
PS don’t hate me for my opinion!!
HatsuneMiku November 12, 2013, 8:13 PM EST.
MIKIE HAS A GREEN JACKET!
I knew something was off.
Pirate guy November 12, 2013, 8:15 PM EST.
Have to give points, Taeshi i am just loving the little circles to represent there all drunk lol it give the buzzed feel to the reader, i like it
JustSomeCritic November 12, 2013, 8:34 PM EST.
@Anon and @weasel
I enjoyed your thoughts on Sandy’s involvement in all of this. I also personally enjoyed the little debate on whether or not Mike merely put her on a pedestal or actually loves her.
I personally do not think he knows her well enough to be able to tell himself. His first memories of her are in kindergarten, which if any of you are like me, those memories are fuzzy at best and often do not reflect the reality of the events going on. Next up are his next memories of her in the third grade where is infatuated with her at a premature age for love.
She leaves and the two begin a penpal relationship which seems to confuse Mike for years as to whether or not they are actually even dating. I honestly can’t remember if they had a talk about it, but I felt like they randomly titled it one day off screen.
So Mike goes from “what is she to mean, to a sudden, Oh we’re dating!” He finds her pretty, and her nauseating letters affectionate, but we do not ever hear him say anything else about her character. Most likely because he does not know himself due to the time lapse. He doesn’t know her or who she really is outside of the past. As for whether or not they’ll last? They are in high school, the odds are not in their favor already. More importantly, they really don’t trust each other probably due to the lack of face-to-face meetings. We see Mike withholding information about Blur, Lucy, and school. We see Sandy having a stressful day which she neglects to share her worries with Mike. They don’t feel comfortable sharing right now. This lack of communication will be what breaks them ultimately.
Lickit&stickit November 12, 2013, 8:39 PM EST.
Taeshi, I will find you and give you actual money if you sneak in some MikexPaolo makeouts into this chapter
Rachel November 12, 2013, 8:53 PM EST.
Trubeque November 12, 2013, 9:16 PM EST.
Okay Rachel and Paulo aren’t official or in a closed relationship I don’t think, but the way Paulo is going off is just like Rachel doesn’t exist.
Paulo is sort of a jerkface to all of the people he’s been in a relationship with.
Tess, Jasmine, Rachel, and Lucy. Open relationships are cool, but Paulo’s hurting feelings.
Icsifil November 12, 2013, 9:26 PM EST.
How surprisingly accurate for a drunk paulo
i dont know November 12, 2013, 9:49 PM EST.
I don’t think Mike means what you think he means, Paulo…. or does he….?
Man, I gotta give it up to Rachel. I bet everyone at her party must be like “ugh”, but she’s just there listening without saying anything. Not many people like being mediators/supervising these sort of things at their own parties.
Subaru November 12, 2013, 10:22 PM EST.
Eko November 12, 2013, 10:26 PM EST.
FIGHT FIGHT kiss kiss
Sleepingfox November 12, 2013, 10:36 PM EST.
@buchanen_neket: Fair enough! At this point, I believe further finger-pointing really solves nothing. The true question is what is best for them in the future.
@Lickit&stickit: I don’t believe @buchanen_neket is defending and admiring Mike for the emotional smackdown, just that it’s not as severe as we see it. So he empathizes with Mike more.
At this point, all I really have to say is that both sides were wrong in a way. Who was “more wrong” is completely irrelevant because no matter who was more in the wrong, this has no effect on the situation at hand. What happened, happened. There is nothing that can change the past, no matter how many times Lucy smacked Mike or Mike hurt Lucy.
In addition, fault is subjective. You’re likely never going to agree. And that’s okay! Now kiss and make up, before I make you hold hands and sing, “kumbaya” too!
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 10:40 PM EST.
Awww, if you say so.
I just really feel like people have a lot of misconceptions about people with depression. And it is a mental illness that needs help, not shouting.
Lickit&stickit November 12, 2013, 10:53 PM EST.
To be totally honest, I have high hopes for Mike and Sandy. They both work hard to make their relationship work, despite time and distance. Their dedication is unheard of in the average teen relationship, and I think they honestly could work.
I think David’s growing up, and I’m proud of him. He didn’t drink, he’s shown some initiative in learning, and he’s been acting more mature, bit by bit.
I don’t think Lucy and Mike should meet again, at least for a very long time. They’ve put each other through so much, I think that they simply aren’t good for each other. Lucy can have a fresh start wherever she is, and Mike can go on without her. That way, Mike doesn’t have to decide between Sandy and Lucy either.
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 10:57 PM EST.
Depression is a very misunderstood mental illness, but trust me, I’ve been there. It isn’t just something you can “just get over,” and I do believe that her leaving to live with her father will do her some good.
GingerPaws November 12, 2013, 11:00 PM EST.
I know what you meant. I should have said this better, YOU are hearing what you want to hear. You are hearing “THAT” as in reference to ‘december’ when “that” is actually in reference to “She never got over you”.
Sorry, i know this is going to sound really, really, REALLY, REALLY cold, but what isn’t diagnosed as a mental illness nowadays. I still have night terrors of falling off the ship i was on and i could get that diagnosed as an illness (PTSD).
Now before everyone goes off, i mean that mental illness has become an umbrella term to everything when it can have a explanation outside of the person is royally messed in the head. Going back to my example, i could get diagnosed for PTSD but i don’t because i know the cause of the terrors is because i have a fear of heights and when you stand on top of a rocking deck looking down on the water from pretty high up it can cause nightmares. Not from combat stress.
buchanen_neket November 12, 2013, 11:10 PM EST.
So ..Am I the only wanting to pet his tail?
****** November 12, 2013, 11:28 PM EST.
I’m slightly confused at what I just read.
asdf November 13, 2013, 12:27 AM EST.
holy **** i am such a weenie for still shipping paulo x lucy oh my god
isabelle November 13, 2013, 12:50 AM EST.
Wonder if “that” is referring to the time that Mike kissed Lucy. I remember fondly those times when Mike would daydream about Lucy. How things have changed.
Oh well, at least Paulo is finally open and honest about his true feelings. Now everyone is just going to have to remember when they sober up.
Seoq November 13, 2013, 12:58 AM EST.
Look at what taeshi said! Load up the cannon and prepare to fire!!!
CheeseCoatedChopper November 13, 2013, 1:11 AM EST.
guys guys guys
mike is referencing this page
isabelle November 13, 2013, 1:27 AM EST.
I think that’s the one time it would be acceptable to copy-and-paste; regardless, you made a valid a point. I can’t stand it when people call Paulo a coward because of his phobia, it’s absurd and irrational; even more so when people accuse him of wanting Lucy simply because of her looks.
Seriously, to those of you that have yet to recapitulate the evidence shown countless times throughout the comic.
GO BACK AND READ.
There are literally about 5 chapters worth of evidence supporting Paulo’s love for Lucy. Time and time again, Paulo was shown to be one of the only ones with the patience and bravery to seek out Lucy when she seemed hurt in any way. Every time she went missing for too long, he noticed, and he worried and even tried to look for Lucy at her house so he could speak to her. This obviously shows that he cares for Lucy far more than you all give him credit for. If he was really only after her for her looks, he would’ve stopped watching over her AGES ago. Hell even in “Another Shoulder” he refused to take advantage of her current state of mind because he knew she’d regret it later on.
So please, as @Tylord stated, if you’re going to say something that may cause controversy, at-least have something to support it.
Turanis November 13, 2013, 2:00 AM EST.
Ouch, Mike. You’re in the open!
Rusco Istar November 13, 2013, 2:02 AM EST.
Agreed, make out already.
Enough with said drama.
Make with the lovey dovey.
PinkBananApocalypse November 13, 2013, 3:07 AM EST.
@Taeshi: good comment.
HongKat November 13, 2013, 4:14 AM EST.
@buchanen_neket Well then I guess Paulo heard what I ‘wanted’ to hear also.
Because, with all due respect Mr.Illiterate, in what universe does a conversation go : Hey, Mike, ya wanna get married? ; Did she mention anything about that? ; Nah I just figured you’re that kind of as*****.
Now please read the version of the text you are implying and explain it to me,seeing as you’re ”always right”
B-Dawg November 13, 2013, 4:32 AM EST.
For some reason, Mike reminds me of Martha Jones (from Doctor Who) in this page. Or maybe it’s Lucy who reminds me of her, and Mike reminds me of the Doctor. Yeah, that’s it! But anyways, it’s Lucy liking Mike and Mike having a “one true love” who he never sees. Now, we don’t know if Lucy will find someone else eventually like Martha, but we can only hope, right?
So basically, Sandy is Rose Tyler (the Bad Wolf)
Mike is the Doctor (self-explanatory)
and Lucy is Martha Jones (a medical student)
(Sorry if a bit confusing, but you must never apply logic to Who!)
Owls_Say_Who November 13, 2013, 4:35 AM EST.
@Owls_Say_Who nice name, heh. Reminds me of a little Owl Who picture I saw floating round the internet, it was adorable.
I don’t know if that’s the most apt comparison though to be honest. Martha had a completely one-sided crush on the Doctor and there was never reciprocation. Mike at least liked Lucy for a little while, whenever that comic of wanting to kiss her was. If it were down to me I might compare Sandy to River Song (because something feels weird trying to compare her to Rose, and River apparently eventually has a role similar), Mike to the Doctor and Lucy to Madame de Pompadour - she loved the Doctor her entire life, there was one moment shared between the two, but in the end she wasn’t a major part of his story.
Then again I don’t like Sandy or Mike enough to make comparisons to Who, not really. I like Lucy, Paulo, Daisy and for some reason Augustus… Haven’t been drawn to anyone else in the comic for whatever reason.
Also, I kinda feel like I want Mike to get it over with and ‘fess up. He needs it off his chest for one, but I kinda want him to have some sort of backlash too. Maybe not that bad of a backlash, but something at least.
Lucyanne November 13, 2013, 5:40 AM EST.
Okay. I know we’re dealing with a moment of intense emotional trauma in the wings, but I have to say this.
Rachel looks a lot like Isabelle from Animal Crossing in the last few pages and it’s starting to freak me out.
Z November 13, 2013, 5:56 AM EST.
You know what i’d rather not because you’re just one of them hard heads that just loves to demonize mike for every little things. So no, i’m done, all i will say is that he’s calling him an ******* because he didn’t return the feelings of lucy, that was established way before December, back when Mike finally showed him a pic of Sandy to prove she was real.
Like someone else said sarcastically “Yeah mike you’re such an ******* for not cheating on your girlfriend with somebody who treated you like crap for years”.
buchanen_neket November 13, 2013, 7:06 AM EST.
THIS IS THE BEST BIRTHDAY PARTY I’VE EVER BEEN TO
Jessica U. Ingmann November 13, 2013, 8:28 AM EST.
Paulo: Man you ruin everything.
Mike’s face: Come at me bro!
VolnuttN7 November 13, 2013, 8:59 AM EST.
SWEET DIVINE JUSTICE IS HERE
SUCK IT MIKE
I HOPE IT TASTES BITTER
Ali November 13, 2013, 9:43 AM EST.
This. It drives me up the walls when people go, “OMG, YOU GUYS ALL FORGET HOW MEAN LUCY WAS JUST CAUSE SHE’S CUTE, WHINE WHINE WHINE.”
No, we haven’y forgotten… but apparently you have forgotten Mike’s fair share way back when they were all babies.
Or that time Lucy nearly got herself killed or worse when he got drunk on that candy… or when she tried to save him even though she couldn’t swim…
or when she refused to use Paulo as a crutch even though he was basically begging for her to take his soul.
Oh you know, but Lucy is a big mean bad kitty who clearly doesn’t care about anyone but herself. ( that last sentence was sarcasm gaiz. )
When Lucy was little, the reason she had no friends was… guess what?….
No, not because she was mean…. but because
1) she was a tomboy, which made the girls dislike her. ( true story guys, female cliques really are that mean even as babies sometimes. )
2) she was a girl, and little boys sometimes dislike little girls with cooties.
She didn’t become “mean” until she became afraid of rejection. Even still, that began to brush away after she met Mike, and probably would have all-together if it weren’t for the turn of events..
Quite frankly, if a boy who was once my soul bestfriend and hero completely forgot me for another girl, I would in fact be a little hurt…. that alone would make me a little afraid of losing him again if he ever came back… thus making me not want to get so attached…
but Mike takes things an extra amazing step, and once Sandy is gone he not only finally remembers that Lucy still exists… he realizes that he can totally use her and pretend that she’s Sandy, cause they look slightly alike.
( and yes, as a small child, he may very well have not realized how wrong that was. )
Now during this period, Mike either
a) continued to see her as Sandy’
b) started truly seeing her as Lucy and began developing feelings for the real Lucy.
But after the long days he spent pretending she was Sandy, how is Lucy supposed to know, as he leans in for a kiss, whether he is seeing her or Sandy?
Yes, I’m sorry, but if I knew that a guy sometimes saw me as his old “girlfriend”, I would be a little concerned and afraid to let him kiss me, too.
Lucy had every right to be afraid and defensive and she had every right to be nervous about letting things between them grow when she couldn’t tell whether he was seeing her or Sandy every time he looked her way.
One last time, Mike was young and foolish and he probably didn’t realize, because there are genuinely some things that one doesn’t realize at that age.
So what does that mean in the end? It wasn’t really anyone’s fault, Lucy’s distance had good grounds and Mike’s mass damage-infliction upon her was almost guaranteed cluelessly done, and it was all just a giant disaster of coping methods that needed more communication on both sides. It was nobody’s fault, they both accidentally hurt each-other and reacted in poor ways as a result.
-.- November 13, 2013, 10:15 AM EST.
I agree with @-.-
Jonas97face November 13, 2013, 10:37 AM EST.
Not really, how do i put this. It’s like the far right wing and the far left in US politics. They see common ground on issues however they have to take up the furthest extreme on each side of a subject to counteract the case being built by the other side. Most agree that both screwed up, however because there are so many who absolve Lucy of virtually all wrondoing on the comments then the other side has to counter act by pointing out her flaws. It basically an equalization to all the demonizing that goes on around here. Do those people feel Lucy is a bad person, no, but she’s not as pure as some seem to make out. In a similar fashion those who demonize Mike probably feel that he was justified to at least speak up (not yell or call her a parasite, etc) but they can’t show that because they are essentially the other end of the spectrum and showing that maybe Mike had some right in what he did would mean accepting that Lucy wasn’t as great as they make out.
Because of this people kind of get a biased view from both sides. I myself do see that Mike went too far, but not enough to justify retribution. I also don’t think Lucy deserved to get lit up like she did but she did need to get told off.
@the comment section,
On a interesting sidenote, as Owl_says_who drew a comparison of the relationship between mike, sandy, and lucy to Dr. Who. I found an interesting comparison of some commenters POV of the relationship in comparison to Sweeney Todd (specifically the conclusion).
Basically in the way some commenters portray the events you get something similar to this:
Mrs. Lovetts to Sandy: as she was manipulating Todd to do horrible things (in comparison some commenters view of Sandy subtly manipulating Mike against Lucy)
Mike to Todd: for the obvious comparison of the one being manipulated, oh and he hurts the one he loved by mistake due to manipulation.
Lucy to, coincidentally, Lucy (that’s the name of Todd’s wife): In that she was mentally corrupted individual (Todd’s wife: took a poison that ended up damaging her mind to where she had amnesia, Lucy: well she’s got issues) who ultimately gets hurt by the one who was manipulated, her former lover.
I just found that interesting after watching Sweeney Todd again and wanted to share it.
buchanen_neket November 13, 2013, 11:03 AM EST.
I think the biggest issue I’m having with you is your denial about mental illnesses. Mental illness are real. And from your post, it sounds like you do suffer from some form PTSD your service days.
Now whether or not YOU specifically need treatment to help is up to you. Until the point where you start to become a danger to society or yourself.
In Lucy’s case, she has become a danger to herself. She really does have all the signs of major depression. This does NOT mean she is a selfish and whinny bitch because she just can’t get over her problems.
That’s part of what depression does to the mind. You can’t see an end to your suffering. You suffer from major esteem issues and aniexty until you literally shut down emotionally and physically. In the case of my best friend, he get physically sicker when he is having an episode of increased depression.
What I want you to realize is this IS a real disorder, often linked to brain chemistry issues or tramatic events. Please stop passing off everyone else with this disorder as whinny children who can’t suck it up.
Considering I know people with depression and see the day to day struggle with this disorder, I really don’t appreciate you disrespecting everyone with depression by saying they ought to just get over it. Rather much like telling a sick person in the hospital to hurry up and stop complaining about their broken limbs.
This sort of shaming is why people with these problems don’t seek help. Because people like you shame their illness and efforts to get better.
Lickit&Stickit November 13, 2013, 11:59 AM EST.
I wouldn’t be angry at Paulo for having relationship with other girls in the past and being called a manwhore. He knew for years he had no chance by Lucy while shes so attached to Mike so maybe to avoid the frustration he tried to go out with other girls. He in a way rejected Lucy for same reason like Lucy rejects Mike when I think about it. But now he indeed has a good chance since Mike is being so horrible to her and is more encouraged to show he has serious feelings for Lucy
EvilKitty3 November 13, 2013, 12:21 PM EST.
Not totally sure which of my comments you are referring to, or if you are trying to argue with me or what, so let me put this out there:
I agree with you; I agree with you a lot. I’m very much a “Lucy-ist” in the Lucy vs. Mike argument.
And my biggest reason for siding with Lucy was the emotional trauma Mike put her through. So I don’t forget anything about how Mike was emotionally abusive(I regard it as abuse).
I’m just also “the migrator of butthurt,” if you will, and willing to see both sides of the issue~
GingerPaws November 13, 2013, 3:35 PM EST.
I’m just going to quietly wait for Mike’s reaction before I say anything.
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